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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
 Posted - 05/19/2002 : 21:54:48
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Hey guys, check out some of these letters to the editor. The third or fourth one down mentions our personal fave, "Dr. Dino".
http://rapidcityjournal.com/display/inn_opinion/opin02.txt
Where I hang out, the folks there think this is nuts. Of course, we tend to have a more pragmatic view. One bad spill and you're coyote kibble.
Lisa
If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 05/19/2002 : 23:30:15 [Permalink]
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Guess I should have been more specific:
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Creation is science
This is addressed to the keepers of "real science" who have written in protest to the Kent Hovind seminar on creation science. It is your claim that creation science isn't real science. Let me enlighten you a little.
In 1987, the U.S. Supreme Court declared Creation Science to be a "bona fide scientific theory." During that hearing, many scientists testified for both sides. One such scientist, an evolutionist testified in this manner:
"I am not a creationist or a religious fundamentalist, and instead am an evolutionist and agnostic. My conclusions are that creation science is scientific, non-religious, and educationally worthwhile in comparison with evolution. It can be taught and can be presented in a textbook without any religious content. It is affirmative scientific evidence that supports creation science, and the evidence is not compellingly persuasive that supports evolution."
Or, as Dr. Lipson, another evolutionist said: "I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as it is to me, but we must not reject a theory we do not like of the experimental evidence supports it."
Any questions?
DON KOPP
See what I live with? A little sympathy might be in order here.
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2002 : 04:56:10 [Permalink]
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Okay, Lisa, you've got my sympathy, but there is room for optimism. Just a few short months ago our local Baton Rouge paper was often publishing letters from the Christian right, and supporting the right in their own views, with little rebuttle. Recently though, they published an article critical of prayer in school, and just last Saturday they even printed a letter from me, of all people. As a matter of fact, I think that I am detecting a minor shift to the left, and if it can happen here, it can happen anywhere. (I hope)
"The Constitution ..., is a marvelous document for self-government by Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society." P. Robertson |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2002 : 05:21:25 [Permalink]
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You know, Lisa, I must be sleep typing. You are in trouble. Does your paper have an editorial staff that knows how to find out what is crap and what isn't?
By mentioning creation science, and 1987, and the Big Court, I can surmise that Mr. Kopp is refering to Edwards v. Aguillard. That's almost home town stuff for me, and I do not recall the court being even courteous to creation science. And, how does the Supreme Court declare a "bona fide scientific theory"? He may have gotten that crap from a misunderstanding of a dissenting opinion, but really, does your paper always print stuff that is just plain wrong. I know ours will edit letters for accurate content, while allowing opinions to remain unchanged.
Good luck....
"The Constitution ..., is a marvelous document for self-government by Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society." P. Robertson |
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2002 : 09:38:04 [Permalink]
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I'll sympathize with you - if you will when a TV news program offers up UFOs over Lakewood, and we've got the story. TV News early enough for kids to watch. Help!
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...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2002 : 10:55:36 [Permalink]
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Shee, I coulda used that paper a few days ago.
Boris just got neutered, and the vet advised me to use shredded paper instead of the usual filler in the litter box while he healed up. 
Ford, there's an infinite number of monkeys outside who want to talk to us about this script for Hamlet they've worked out. |
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 05/20/2002 : 12:45:05 [Permalink]
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You know, Lisa, I must be sleep typing. You are in trouble. Does your paper have an editorial staff that knows how to find out what is crap and what isn't?
Obviously not, when Dr. Dino is mentioned right off the bat. You'd think someone would have caught that.
Lisa
If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room. |
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Wiley
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 05/20/2002 : 15:34:11 [Permalink]
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Lisa et. al.
Something strikes me as very odd. If I recall accurately how the Supreme Court works, there is no expert witness testimony. Each side is allowed thirty minutes to present their case with justices frequently interrupting. Expert witness testimony is almost exclusively limited to briefs, e.g., the amicus curiae brief of the 72 Nobel Lauret in Edwards v. Aguillard.
So Mr. Kopp's assertion that these comments occured during the hearing is dubious. From readings of Edwards v. Aguillard, it seems that these comments more likely took place during the appellate court, where they did hear expert testimony. Also, none of the opinions, including the dissenting opinion by Scalia, ever calls creation science "bona fide". In fact, just the opposite.
Talk Origins has a section on this case:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/edwards-v-aguillard.html
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