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James
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USA
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 Posted - 06/11/2002 : 21:06:50
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I just found this on infidels.org newswire: http://www.godlessamericans.org/
It's about the effort to organize a march on Washington on Saturday, November 2nd, 2002. Basically, since everyone else has done a march, high time we Atheists, Agnostics, Freethinkers, Humanists, and everyone else who don't believe in a god.
I'm planning on going.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2002 : 22:55:23 [Permalink]
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I just found this on infidels.org newswire: http://www.godlessamericans.org/
It's about the effort to organize a march on Washington on Saturday, November 2nd, 2002. Basically, since everyone else has done a march, high time we Atheists, Agnostics, Freethinkers, Humanists, and everyone else who don't believe in a god.
I'm planning on going.
Reginald is a supper nice guy, I hope you subscribe to his on line newsletter also. The info about the march was in there also.
Actually there was at least one march planned before in the recent past but I never heard what happened with it.
It would be nice to be recognized as a part of society that has as much to contribute as anyone else. Not that there aren't some very famous Freethinkers, et all, but there are also those who wouldn't mind stamping us out either.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2002 : 06:22:02 [Permalink]
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"Godless Americans" is a very poor choice of a name, I believe.
People call us that out of contempt. It will detract from its possible impact, I'm thinking.
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Bradley
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2002 : 09:50:49 [Permalink]
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"Godless Americans" is a very poor choice of a name, I believe.
People call us that out of contempt. It will detract from its possible impact, I'm thinking.
I certainly have no problem with the label, though "Atheist" is the term that I publicly identify myself as. Hell, I'm proud of being godless. The folks who are otherwise are the ones who ought to be ashamed; they're just too dumb and arrogant to realize it.
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
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Posted - 06/12/2002 : 10:10:52 [Permalink]
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"Godless Americans" is a very poor choice of a name, I believe.
People call us that out of contempt. It will detract from its possible impact, I'm thinking.
Well I am not American, but I certainly would not object to the term godless.
Maybee there is some sort of "Gay Pride Parade" thinking behind the naming.
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Snake
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USA
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Posted - 06/12/2002 : 13:51:10 [Permalink]
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"Godless Americans" is a very poor choice of a name, I believe.
People call us that out of contempt. It will detract from its possible impact, I'm thinking.
Well I am not American, but I certainly would not object to the term godless.
Maybee there is some sort of "Gay Pride Parade" thinking behind the naming.
Good idea Lars. In order to lessen the impact and shock, flaunt it.
Love it, thanks.
But I do understand what Tokyodreamer is saying. You can't please everyone. Some people are a little more serious then others*. (*not meant to be personal Tokyo)
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2002 : 17:02:06 [Permalink]
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Might be a good idea to add this to our events calendar. In fact, all such announcements should be also posted there as a reminder for when the date gets near...
James, you want to do the honors?
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2002 : 19:25:39 [Permalink]
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My initial impression, using an example already mentioned:
Godless Americans is to Atheist Americans as Fag Pride is to Gay Pride.
Not that big a deal. I just would have picked something different...
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Atheist_Conspirator
New Member
Canada
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Posted - 06/20/2002 : 17:42:00 [Permalink]
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"Godless Americans" IS a negative. And it is usually a failure to run a ngative platform. I have read an interesting essay called: Herding Cats--Why Atheism is Doomed to Fail.
http://www.liberator.net/articles/TremblayFrancois/herdingcats.html
Keep in mind that the author of this essay IS an atheist. But running on a platform of negation (that's what the "a" in atheist is) is never seen by non-atheists as something positive, but something that is taking something away from those who hold this thing dear to them. It certainly needs another title for the march. I've always like "Naturalism" or "Humanism," as these terms are "friendly" and "inviting."
"Shall I show you the muscular training of a philosopher?"
"What muscles are those?"
"A will not disappointed; evils avoided; powers daily exercised; careful resolutions; unerring decisions."
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2002 : 17:46:47 [Permalink]
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Actually, theism is the negative. The reason I have to call myself an atheist is to let people know I care about reality. I am "godless" if you will, and that's not negative. I am disease-free as well. My computer is virus-free. These are all good things.
To use an analogy with homosexuality, one could say that they are free of the false idea that homosexuality is bad, for instance.
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"Godless Americans" IS a negative.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 06/20/2002 : 20:01:16 [Permalink]
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"Godless Americans" IS a negative. And it is usually a failure to run a ngative platform. I have read an interesting essay called: Herding Cats--Why Atheism is Doomed to Fail.
It certainly needs another title for the march. I've always like "Naturalism" or "Humanism," as these terms are "friendly" and "inviting."
I wouldn't want to call myself a Humanist, I don't like humans.
Trying to change words to appease others sense of 'correctness' due to misunderstanding, isn't that the same thing as for example.....calling someone a sanitation engineer when they are a janitor. Or saying someone is in domestic resource cordinator when they are just a housewife. Get over it, things are what they are, does anyone think they are fooling someone by changing a name?
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 05:15:52 [Permalink]
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Wow, I like parades. Can't somebody move it to New Orleans so that I can go? Well, I guess not. I'll just have to go to work, and hear about it on the morning news.
Okay, call me godless. I couldn't care less, but it wouldn't be too accurate. I have a goddess--I married her about ten years ago. However, I was wondering, can an agnostic truly be called godless?
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SueW0
New Member
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 10:14:28 [Permalink]
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Not that big a deal. I just would have picked something different...
God-free Americans? (God-impaired? Religiously-challenged?)
Sue
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/26/2002 : 11:32:53 [Permalink]
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Not that big a deal. I just would have picked something different...
God-free Americans? (God-impaired? Religiously-challenged?)
Sue
Actually, I kind of like "God-free". 
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