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Slater
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 Posted - 07/02/2002 : 15:19:35 [Permalink]
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You see, unlike the evolutionist that I'm skeptical about, I folow true science.
That's great. True science means that you can back up your claims with evidence. Let's see your evidence for Yahweh.
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@tomic
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Posted - 07/02/2002 : 15:34:35 [Permalink]
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You see, unlike the evolutionist that I'm skeptical about, I folow true science.
I wonder how Jesus feels about lies like that. In one of your early posts you said that your "theory" required faith, not science. That's because your "theory" can not stand up to science because it has zero science in it.
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jmcginn
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Posted - 07/03/2002 : 06:52:54 [Permalink]
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You evos seem eo want to have your cake and eat it too. If there is no gradual change in fossils...then we'll call it punctuated equilibriam, if we need an old living fossil, heck, we'll claim evolution doesn't have to change while everything else around it does.
LOL that's good. You will notice that my posts on the other board did document change and completely falsified your's and/or YEC's claim.
Sorry but twisting things around in such a fashion only destroys your credibility.
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welshdean
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Posted - 07/03/2002 : 08:42:24 [Permalink]
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if we had a "bullshit filter" attached would it stop the likes of 6days from trying to convert educated, interesting people.
If anybody fancies a good laugh, send me your email address and i'll send you a copy of an email from John Arend (irc) "explaining" the age of the earth and the Noachian flood................I'ts a real killer.
I believe in nothing; only my scepticism kept me from being an atheist.
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Sven62
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Posted - 07/08/2002 : 07:12:30 [Permalink]
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Just wanted to point out to Auntie that gravity is not a theory. Gravity is a law, as @tomic's signature so humorously states. There is no generally accepted theory of gravity. It's a real stumper!
I don't point this out to be nit-picky. I point this out because I have heard skeptics like us use it to destroy creationist's "it's only a theory" claim. While destroying that claim is essential, it needs to be done with accuracy or they will throw it back at us and we will have yet another pile of crap to try and shovel out of their way.
I like using quantum theory. Usually the exchange with the creationist in question is by computer, so it's fun to point up the fact that quantum theory is what GAVE them the CPU chip they're currently using to read and reply to the thread.
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Antie
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Posted - 07/08/2002 : 07:52:14 [Permalink]
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> Just wanted to point out to Auntie that gravity is not a theory.
> Gravity is a law, as @tomic's signature so humorously states. There
> is no generally accepted theory of gravity. It's a real stumper!
It was a joke, and I thought the ridiculousness of my comment would make that fact obvious. @tomic knew it was a joke.
Gravitation is a fact. There's a law of gravitation. But there are also several scientific theories about gravitation. There's Newton's theory of Universal Gravitation, and Einstein's General Relativity.
To say that gravitation is "only a theory" is just as stupid as saying that biological evolution is "only a theory."
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Sven62
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Posted - 07/08/2002 : 12:07:35 [Permalink]
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there are also several scientific theories about gravitation. There's Newton's theory of Universal Gravitation, and Einstein's General Relativity.
To say that gravitation is "only a theory" is just as stupid as saying that biological evolution is "only a theory."
First of all, you missed my point. It's NOT the same as saying gravitation is only a theory. It is the same as saying quantum theory is only a theory. Ya see? Because they are both, in fact, theories. And we can use this to show how important and valid scientific theories are.
Gravitation is not a theory, as you obviously agree. But then you go on to cite two theories that are NOT descriptions of how gravity works. Therefore they are not theories of gravity. There are exactly zero accepted theories of how gravity works.
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opus
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2002 : 08:17:42 [Permalink]
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I was under the impression that while Gravity is a law of science just exactly how it works is not known for a certainty. To me this is the same as evolution...that it took place is a certainty, but how is not a complete known.
When I talk to people about it I often say that Evolution is a fact, Natural Selection is the theory to explain it. Am I wrong on this?
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/12/2002 : 09:10:50 [Permalink]
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The law of gravity is a simple mathematical formula that describes what gravity does. Theories of how gravity works (or why it works) include Einsteins relativity.
For a general discussion of laws, theories, & hypothesis see
http://wilstar.net/theories.htm
Law = statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions
Theory = A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers
Hypothesis = This is an educated guess based upon observation
"In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.
The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains a whole series of related phenomena."
In relation, the law of gravity covers only the simple attraction between 2 objects at a given mass and distance, while the theory of relativity explains this along with allot of other related phenoma.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 07/12/2002 : 12:31:03 [Permalink]
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When I talk to people about it I often say that Evolution is a fact, Natural Selection is the theory to explain it. Am I wrong on this?
I hope not, because that'd mean I am also!
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Charmed_Quark
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Posted - 07/18/2002 : 20:31:40 [Permalink]
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First of all, you missed my point. It's NOT the same as saying gravitation is only a theory. It is the same as saying quantum theory is only a theory. Ya see? Because they are both, in fact, theories. And we can use this to show how important and valid scientific theories are.
Gravitation is not a theory, as you obviously agree. But then you go on to cite two theories that are NOT descriptions of how gravity works. Therefore they are not theories of gravity. There are exactly zero accepted theories of how gravity works.
The General Theory of Relativity IS a theory of gravity. That is, it explains the existence and workings gravity. And what did you mean that there are zero accepted theories on how gravity works?
The General Theory of Relativity is THE most accepeted theory of gravity. In addition to its greater accuracy than Newton's, it predicted gravitational lensing, black holes, pulsars, and cosmic expansion, which were all subsequently confirmed by experiments.
Do explain how Einstein and Newton's theories do not explain gravity. It's like saying the Bible doesn't explain God.
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Slater
SFN Regular
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Posted - 07/18/2002 : 21:59:16 [Permalink]
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Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."
--Albert Einstein
Actually that's a quote from Mrs Albert Einstein who was afraid that Al's atheism would get in the way of his public image.
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Tokyodreamer
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Posted - 07/19/2002 : 12:35:23 [Permalink]
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It's like saying the Bible doesn't explain God.
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Slater
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USA
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Posted - 07/19/2002 : 13:20:13 [Permalink]
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Okay, okay I saw that but I was going to let it pass. But if you insist..
Gee CQ I can't help but notice that the bible doesn't explain god; at least not clearly enough to keep christianity from breaking up into a thousand different sects.
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@tomic
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Posted - 07/19/2002 : 14:11:49 [Permalink]
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I would be interested in knowing which part of the Bible explains God. Hell, so would every other person on the planet!
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