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lil_devil
New Member
Canada
17 Posts |
 Posted - 06/25/2002 : 14:00:00
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Hiya... though id drop a skeptical 2 cents in here,im sure this post will get a few frowning brows
but please understand lil_devil is a born again-skeptic :P
First id like to say that my heart goes out the victims of this crash
no one knows the true count but even if it was 1 its still horrible and one too many
Everyone is saying the craching planes in the ptg and the wtc was an inside hit job, and not bin ladden or islamics at all
On the Wtc, dispite the (more than most likely made up) Bin Ladden
video tapes that have circulated: First of all, the Wtc towers were built
to take a plane crash without fidgeting, the builder has re-stated this
information claim on the web and many ,architects are also saying it had to
be strategicaly bombed to go down the
way it did... and i believe that... They dident get to be architecs
being morons.
And... it was filmed from many different angles, so its obvious people
where there waiting for it, so, thats no surprise attack ,
if the president had prior knowldege and did nothing i mean geez
why did he let it be done? Besides dont smart terrorists use missiles?
No ones getting it, or buying it (at least not many)
all this is delusional.
Its big bull to many, so is the anthrax scare,
i mean since when do spores harm anyone?im no chemist but i do know
spores and mold are what antibiotics are made of ...
spores are a form of rot ..like phenol...plus people would actually
laugh when they heard this...it was also a joke in chat rooms...like honey pass the anthrax :
If it had been really toxic chems people would be dead and or
the mailman or the sender would be really ill to say the least.
no one could prove any related illnesses to the spores!
You cant endanger someone whithout completly endangering yourself...
if they had been poisonous chemicals
then i could have seen it, but yet in powder form i still cannot see
any great danger ,if one wore gloves, and dident blow it allover...
its like rat poison....so whats the point there?
the media did keep a say that there was no real evidence of the anthrax (sic) spores were related to anything.
so...all in all hating islamists and arabs for all this is ridiculous..
it all smells like a plot to globalisation making people fear of
a bogus war,sucking people into a peace mind through fear of a not gonna happen
war...no more patriotism, no more room for different religions,
a melting pot of cultural confusion..all for a cash in for the reps and U.S POWER tripping , the states probably want to plant mcdonalds in taliban lol
the u.s looks like a squirmy-hand in a hole reaching all parts of the world
dragging em into its hole with it.
its not hard to see that all religions are being attacked defamated
dragged in the mud right now but why? ?
theres surely way more poop to come...dont get me wrong
i am not a war monger... war sucks
but whats bugs my ass is that the u.s is forcing its claws and
meddling in evey culture under false pretences and isent it weird that if the u.s wants so much peace?
all of a sudden ?when clinton allowed the african massacres to happen.
if that isent evil i dunno what is...
another thing what would all the lawyers judjes and cops do? retire?
hell.. why with peace (im not specificaly refering to massacres here)..
why do we even need a president or an army
think of the lost jobs....what are we gonna do, all sit at home on welfare
and watch more tv lies?.
minor crime isent so bad...it makes things a little more exciting...(i did say minor) like steeling a cigarette pack
the real crime is the net.. tv lies and the new porno-pop culture!
its helps to downgrade morals decency and social structure
it promotes uncertainty lack of respect and idiocy..in the end no one knows what to think ..
Our politicians and the media are probably trying to mess our brains..
if we want democacy they globalise us if we want nationalism they gag us how bout natioallism and freespeech?
where is the middle ground here because we
really need one...nowadays everything thing seems rigged the news, opinion polls, programing ,the web is a mess
music lyrics are gloomy.
i even read that bill gates is the antichrist who knows... is he?
http://www.bssteph.net/mmm/antichrist.txt
All we hear about on tv is horror,
war, 50% fact and 50% fiction news,
misery, sarcasm, catastrophy
lies,destruction,sleeze,or influence in general....there isent that much hell going on but they go get it or make it up
hell the yellow pages seemed better.
why cant we see happy news? at least if they lied about happy news it would still be worth lookin at better yet why even have news, why must that be there for people
to see...what kind of pleasure trip can someone possibly get?
todays head lines: MORE DEATHS! CATASTROPHY! FICTION LIES!AND GRIMTALES! ITS HELL OUT HERE!!
NOW FOR THE FORCAST :ITS RAINNING CRAP!!!!!!!!!!
LOL:"gee im glad i watched that now i really feel like sh*t" :P
hAAa !!!! / :-o
i put everything on neutral now
if the news says its so i take
it with a grain of salt......like a real big one!
Anyways thank goodness for Anarchy
and cooking programs at least
it teaches something usefull.
you smack me once shame on you / : (
you smack me twice shame on me >: 0
heres collection of the funniest pictires i have ever seen
http://tihlde.org/~larstr/wtc/
PS THE WORLD is NUTS
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
 Posted - 06/25/2002 : 14:23:31 [Permalink]
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Goodness. Are you off your meds again Devil?
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2002 : 14:27:26 [Permalink]
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First of all, the Wtc towers were built
to take a plane crash without fidgeting, the builder has re-stated this
information claim on the web and many ,architects are also saying it had to
be strategicaly bombed to go down the
way it did... and i believe that... They dident get to be architecs
being morons.
The WTC WAS designed to be hit by an aeroplane, however it was not designed for the intense temperature generated by tonnes of aviation fuel. The way the floors were designed, the heat eventually melted the reinforcing steel, thus triggering the collapse.
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Besides dont smart terrorists use missiles?
How more effective were the planes. Not only in destructiveness, it shut down air transport in the country for a few days.
Actually, the further on that I read, the more you ramble nonsense so I am not going to reply to any more.
I am not American, however if I were, I would find this pretty offensive. Looks like you have been reading too much into conspiracy theories. You talk about being brainwashed, look in your own backyard first.
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
630 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2002 : 15:14:46 [Permalink]
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I know that I am not one to throw any big stones with my spelling, but please try to make your posts a bit more readable. Using periods and capitalizing the first word of a new sentence would really help a lot.
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Hiya... though id drop a skeptical 2 cents in here,im sure this post will get a few frowning brows
but please understand lil_devil is a born again-skeptic :P
You don't seem to employ a lot of sketicism, but I guess I will keep an open mind.
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First id like to say that my heart goes out the victims of this crash
no one knows the true count but even if it was 1 its still horrible and one too many
Everyone is saying the craching planes in the ptg and the wtc was an inside hit job, and not bin ladden or islamics at all
Who is saying that? Everyone? I have heared some conspiracy theories regarding 9/11, but none that describe it as an 'inside job'. What kind of inside information do you need to crash a plane in a building. All you need to know about your traget is its location and you have to admit that the WTC and the Penatgon are not really hard to find.
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On the Wtc, dispite the (more than most likely made up) Bin Ladden
video tapes that have circulated:
What makes you think that the Bin Laden tapes are likely forgeries?
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First of all, the Wtc towers were built
to take a plane crash without fidgeting, the builder has re-stated this
information claim on the web and many ,architects are also saying it had to
be strategicaly bombed to go down the
way it did... and i believe that... They dident get to be architecs
being morons.
The towers were build to survive being crashed into by samll planes. They even did pretty good on 9/11 after the planes flew into them. What got them, was not the impact of the planes, but the fuel the planes carried. The fire melted the steel holding up the stories above it.
Where do the archtiects claim that the building should have survived this?
Every real expert agrees on what happened.
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And... it was filmed from many different angles, so its obvious people
where there waiting for it, so, thats no surprise attack ,
That is not very logical. New York is a city full of people with cameras. It is likely that one of them would catch an incident such as this on tape by pure chance. There is only little documentation of the first crash. Just as much as we would expect. Most of the pictures you are talking about were of the second crash, and it is no suprise that many people were filming the WTC after a plane just crashed into it.
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if the president had prior knowldege and did nothing i mean geez
why did he let it be done?
What makes you think that he had prior knowledge?
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Besides dont smart terrorists use missiles?
No, terrorist in Hollywood movies use missiles and death-rays and intercontinental rockets and stuff like that. Smart terrorists in real life use box-cutters and (their own brand of) common sense. That is why the terrorists in real life are succesfull.
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No ones getting it, or buying it (at least not many)
all this is delusional.
The fact that 'nobody is getting it' is the reason that many are not buying it. They can't understand how something like that could just have happened so they invent conspiracy theories to make it more understandable. As far as I know the majority of americans 'buys' that the WTC was brought down by planes, btw. Only a small uneducated minority belives in theories involving missiles or dynamite in the basement.
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Its big bull to many, so is the anthrax scare,
i mean since when do spores harm anyone?
im no chemist but i do know
spores and mold are what antibiotics are made of ...
spores are a form of rot ..like phenol...plus people would actually
laugh when they heard this...it was also a joke in chat rooms...like honey pass the anthrax :
Anthrax is a spore-forming bacterium. It would take to much time here to dispell all your misinformations about what spores are and what they do, but let me assure you that Anthrax is indeed quite deadly.
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If it had been really toxic chems people would be dead and or
the mailman or the sender would be really ill to say the least.
no one could prove any related illnesses to the spores!
You cant endanger someone whithout completly endangering yourself...
if they had been poisonous chemicals
then i could have seen it, but yet in powder form i still cannot see
any great danger ,if one wore gloves, and dident blow it allover...
its like rat poison....so whats the point there?
the media did keep a say that there was no real evidence of the anthrax (sic) spores were related to anything.
so...all in all hating islamists and arabs for all this is ridiculous..
You are at least right on this one count. The anthrax stain that has been used in the attacks has turned out to be a creation of the US. It was most likely a domestic terrorist with connection to the US bio-warfare programm.
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it all smells like a plot to globalisation making people fear of
a bogus war,sucking people into a peace mind through fear of a not gonna happen
war...no more patriotism, no more room for different religions,
a melting pot of cultural confusion..all for a cash in for the reps and U.S POWER tripping , the states probably want to plant mcdonalds in taliban lol
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 06/25/2002 : 17:02:56 [Permalink]
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There is no evidence at all that the towers came down for any reason other than a plane hitting each and the heat from the burning jet fuel causing the structure to fail. This is something we actually saw or at least I did that morning.
Being skeptical is the opposite of believing conspiracy theories that consist of little or no evidence. There are many conspiracy theories concerning the events of 9/11 and so far none of them have stood up to close inspection.
Regardless of what 9/11 "smells like" I recommend sticking with what we actually know and remember that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence before believing the fantastic.
 @tomic
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2002 : 20:50:47 [Permalink]
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Just in case anyone is interested, the report on the WTC collapse made to the House Committee on Science is available online.
Go to http://www.house.gov/science/welcome.htm
And click on "lessons learned from Ground Zero" under "hot topics" on the right side of the page. This will bring up a window which includes a link to the report.
It's a set of BIG .pdf documents; best to have a fast connection to download it.
It draws on so many different scientific and engineering disciplines that I doubt any one person could completely understand all of it, but a reasonably smart techno-geek can follow the outline.
One interesting thing is that the investigators concluded that the spilled fuel burned off too quickly to have been a major contributor to the structural failure but rather served to set every bit of combustible material in the impact zone thoroughly alight, producing a continuing fire of an estimated power output of 1.5 GW, which ultimately weakened steel components to the point of failure.
That does contradict the conventional wisdom about the collapse, but isn't abandoning a hypothesis which your data don't support in favor of one more in line with the data a hallmark of honest scientific investigation?
Anyway, it's backed up by enough information and knowledge that it should forever put paid to the "demolished by explosives" looniness- but that's about as likely as the ruined buildings spontaneously reassembling themselves.
After all, it was sponsored by FEMA, and we all know about them, don't we?
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2002 : 05:33:06 [Permalink]
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producing a continuing fire of an estimated power output of 1.5 GW
Hey, that's enough to get back to the future, isn't it?
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2002 : 05:56:09 [Permalink]
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producing a continuing fire of an estimated power output of 1.5 GW
Hey, that's enough to get back to the future, isn't it?
And power your CD player in transit!
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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James
SFN Regular
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2002 : 07:31:10 [Permalink]
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producing a continuing fire of an estimated power output of 1.5 GW
Hey, that's enough to get back to the future, isn't it?
I don't believe so. Here, it was Gigawatts and for teh Delorean, it was said that you need Jigawatts. All I know is that Gigawatts means billions of watts. I have no clue what Jigawatts is. Don't even know how to spell it right.
I'm off to watch M*A*S*H.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2002 : 08:36:00 [Permalink]
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I don't believe so. Here, it was Gigawatts and for teh Delorean, it was said that you need Jigawatts.
I thought he was just mispronouncing "Giga".
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
630 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2002 : 08:53:19 [Permalink]
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I don't believe so. Here, it was Gigawatts and for teh Delorean, it was said that you need Jigawatts.
I thought he was just mispronouncing "Giga".
According to my dictionary both pronunciations ( /ji'ga/ or /gi'ga/) are actually valid.
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2002 : 09:08:21 [Permalink]
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According to my dictionary both pronunciations ( /ji'ga/ or /gi'ga/) are actually valid.
Gotta be the same thing. I've never heard of a Jiga- anything.
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2002 : 19:32:19 [Permalink]
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According to my dictionary both pronunciations ( /ji'ga/ or /gi'ga/) are actually valid.
Gotta be the same thing. I've never heard of a Jiga- anything.
Well, FWIW, in English a g or c is hard if it precedes a, o or u and soft if it precedes e or i, so I pronounce "giga" with a soft g.
Besides being consistent, it can confuse and annoy the listener. Win-win situation.
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 06/27/2002 : 20:59:46 [Permalink]
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Well, I was actually talking about the spelling rather than the pronunciation. Hence, I should have written, "I've never seen a jiga- anything." Mea culpa.
Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous.
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/27/2002 : 22:24:35 [Permalink]
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"I've never seen a jiga- anything."
OOOWWWWHHHH!!!!!!!
I'm biting my tongue sooo hard so as not to say the politically-incorrect-Son-of-the-Beach-Howard-Stern type joke; that has occurred to all of us; that I'm seeing stars !!!
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2002 : 03:13:37 [Permalink]
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I work too much. I take a couple of weeks hiatus from this forum, and someone shows up that can't seem to discern the difference between a skeptic and a conspiracist. No insult intended, but I get the impression that lil_devil is quite young, but then again, I originally thought that about Kasey.
Anyway, lil_devil, you seem quite impressionable, but still intelligent and willing to learn, and this forum is a wonderful place to learn. Many of the regulars here taught me much, and I look forward to learning more. Respectfully, perhaps you could read more, and write less.
"The Constitution ..., is a marvelous document for self-government by Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society." P. Robertson |
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