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Snake
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 Posted - 07/31/2002 : 18:30:45 [Permalink]
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Sherlock Holmes was a drug using imbecile who did not know that the Earth orbited the Sun. His methodology was never very scientific and it only worked because he was fictinal character in a fictional world designed to make it work. His creator believed in faries.
Lars you have now become Persona non grata, to me. I don't think I'll talk to you again. LOL, you might think that's good news.
But anyone who defames my idol and Mentor is no one I care to acknowledge.
And what ever Doyle did is his business, SH was much more intelligent than Sir Arthur and did what he wanted reguardless of what as you say,'His creator', thought or believed. If I'm correct Doyle didn't investagate the suppernatural until later in his life and I don't think SH ever expounded any such philosophies. Now go wack yourself for speaking ill of a great man, Mr. Sherlock Holmes. AND another thing, Holmes only used the 7% solution to relax, his mind was/IS very sharp.
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Lars_H
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Posted - 07/31/2002 : 20:21:34 [Permalink]
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Sherlock Holmes was a drug using imbecile who did not know that the Earth orbited the Sun. His methodology was never very scientific and it only worked because he was fictinal character in a fictional world designed to make it work. His creator believed in faries.
Lars you have now become Persona non grata, to me. I don't think I'll talk to you again. LOL, you might think that's good news.
But anyone who defames my idol and Mentor is no one I care to acknowledge.
And what ever Doyle did is his business, SH was much more intelligent than Sir Arthur and did what he wanted reguardless of what as you say,'His creator', thought or believed. If I'm correct Doyle didn't investagate the suppernatural until later in his life and I don't think SH ever expounded any such philosophies. Now go wack yourself for speaking ill of a great man, Mr. Sherlock Holmes. AND another thing, Holmes only used the 7% solution to relax, his mind was/IS very sharp.
Well, maybe I was a bit to harsh about Holmes. I certenly did not want to insult anyones feeling on the matter.
I just find it hard to take anyone serious, who does not have any appreciation for even the most basic astronomic concepts. Holmes as described by Watson also often comes across as somewhat arrogant and downright condensing. Maybee Sherlock was overcompensating his inferiority complexes towards hi smater brother Mycroft or something like that, but it still does not make the man very likeable. In addition to that I have problems following his deductions. He often infers great amounts of knowledge from tiny clues, that might atleast in my eyes be interpreted in an number of ways. His often quoted phrase about the methode of exclusion certainly is true in theory, but in real life, once a certain limit of improbabilty has been reached, I find it hard to accept, that no matter how impropable the only remaning possibility has to be the truth.
That aside Holmes was a great man and an inspiration to many of us. I certainly did not want to defame him. I merly felt it nessecary to point out that nobody is perfect - not even fictional charcters.
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Robert
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Posted - 07/31/2002 : 20:50:37 [Permalink]
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I have to say #2, I believe that some people do have an ability to be able to see and predict things before they happen, I have experienced a few odd things that would fall under the catagory of an ESP ability. But, I also think that most those who have even a slight amount of this ability dont know how to harness it and instead it pops up on accident or in "premonitions" while day dreaming or dreaming while asleep
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Snake
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Posted - 07/31/2002 : 21:28:52 [Permalink]
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Well, maybe I was a bit to harsh about Holmes. I certenly did not want to insult anyones feeling on the matter.
Thank you Lars
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Holmes as described by Watson also often comes across as somewhat arrogant and downright condensing.
That is something I do not like in regular humans. I have a cousin like that, who's a complete jerk. And I have no respect for the Rush Limbaughs of the world who act like 'Know It All's', BUT SH is one of the few who IMO has the right to be like that. He does know more then most other people, he is one of the rare few who are truly perceptive, therefore he can confidently speak his mind.
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Maybee Sherlock was overcompensating his inferiority complexes towards hi smater brother Mycroft or something like that, but it still does not make the man very likeable.
I don't know what's in his mind and I don't presume to analize his inadequacies(if there are any). Frued did try.
Speaking of arrogant, I find Mycroft a bore.
Personaly, I would doubt SH has any conflict with his brother that causes him to behave in a certain way because of it.
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In addition to that I have problems following his deductions. He often infers great amounts of knowledge from tiny clues, that might atleast in my eyes be interpreted in an number of ways. His often quoted phrase about the methode of exclusion certainly is true in theory, but in real life, once a certain limit of improbabilty has been reached, I find it hard to accept, that no matter how impropable the only remaning possibility has to be the truth.
Not being as smart as Holmes I can't say what he sees in the clues more than what he states. Maybe he doesn't want to give away all his secrets. I do think he's brillant to be so observant. Can you give him that, at least?
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That aside Holmes was a great man and an inspiration to many of us. I certainly did not want to defame him. I merly felt it nessecary to point out that nobody is perfect - not even fictional charcters.
Alright, I'm willing to concede he might have a few, TINY flaws, since you were so nice to explain your previous comments.(but I still wish people wouldn't think of him as fictional )
Thank you Lars
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Trish
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Posted - 08/01/2002 : 01:46:43 [Permalink]
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Though I agree with the second part of #1 ("... all reports [to date] are explainable ..." etc), I'd have to go with #2. Once one entertains this remote possibility, the question becomes one of the medium that this phenomenon operates in. I have never heard ESP's proponents address this question, but would be happy for someone to enlighten me.
"Too much doubt is better than too much credulity."
-Robert Green Ingersoll (1833 - 1899)
I would suggest reading Physics and Psychics by Victor Stenger for an indepth look at much of the psychic research that has taken place. In fact, the tests (including the ganzfeld) that have shown higher that statistical probability have all been found to have poor controls for maintain 'information leakage' to the subject.
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echthroi_man
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Posted - 08/01/2002 : 05:52:35 [Permalink]
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I have to say #2, I believe that some people do have an ability to be able to see and predict things before they happen, I have experienced a few odd things that would fall under the catagory of an ESP ability. But, I also think that most those who have even a slight amount of this ability dont know how to harness it and instead it pops up on accident or in "premonitions" while day dreaming or dreaming while asleep.
That is in fact a very cogent description of what modern parapsychologists think about ESP.
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echthroi_man
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Posted - 08/01/2002 : 05:56:27 [Permalink]
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In fact, the tests (including the ganzfeld) that have shown higher that statistical probability have all been found to have poor controls for maintain 'information leakage' to the subject.
Been found by whom? The majority of critics I have read all state that modern parapsychological methodology does an excellent job of preventing sensory leakage, so they concentrate their critiques on statistical analysis.
I would be particularly interested in hearing about what leakages are present in the ganzfeld method. If it is indeed a flawed method I would like to know how.
Thank you.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/01/2002 : 07:43:51 [Permalink]
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I would be particularly interested in hearing about what leakages are present in the ganzfeld method. If it is indeed a flawed method I would like to know how.
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The Ganzfeld is set up so that an interpretation must be made of a verbal report from the test subject to be matched against an image allegedly sent telepathically to the subject. Thus, even if an image bears little or no resemblance to the verbal description, if it is selected as the one most closely resembling the image verbally described, then it counts as a hit. For example, here is a verbal description taken from Dr. Berger's website on the ganzfeld:
I see the Lincoln Memorial...
And Abraham Lincoln sitting there... It's
the 4th of July... All kinds of fireworks...
Now I'm at Valley Forge... There are
fireworks... And I think of bombs
bursting in the air... And Francis Scott
Key... And Charleston...
There are quite a few images that would "match" this description, since the description itself contains at least eight distinct images (the Lincoln memorial, Lincoln, 4th of July, fireworks, Valley Forge, bombs, Francis Scott Key, Charleston) to which one could easily add a couple more, such as the American flag, the star spangled banner, and, oh yes, George Washington, which was the image selected as most closely resembling the verbal description. We're not told what the other three choices were.
One wonders why, if this 8.2%, million billion to one, difference is evidence of telepathy, the verbal descriptions are not more precise. For example, why didn't the psychic "see" George Washington, since that was what the image was? Why did he see the Lincoln memorial and a bunch of other things? How can they be sure of what they are measuring? Why isn't the subject allowed to choose "none"? Shouldn't the experimenters have some cases where the sender doesn't really send anything? And shouldn't the receiver be able to say "I'm not getting any message at all"? If Berger and Honorton would do a ganzfeld where the sender sends no messages at all throughout the entire experiment, my guess is that the receiver would still "receive" and give a verbal description of his vision. What would his vision be of? Would these scientists say that the vision is one of the imagination or would they say that someone, somewhere, sent some message and the subject picked it up? How can they be sure, in fact, that their subjects are not picking up messages from others besides the sender? Perhaps the reason the subjects fail 66.8% of the time is because they are picking up messages from the wrong senders. Maybe there is 100% telepathy. Or maybe something else is going on besides telepathy.
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echthroi_man
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/03/2002 : 11:09:04 [Permalink]
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From here.
Thanks for the information. It wasn't sensory leakage like I asked for, but I did say "flaws" so I guess I threw open the door on that one.
I would like to address the questions posted in this quote, but the resulting post will likely be long. What is the policy on long posts?
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 08/03/2002 : 11:58:58 [Permalink]
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If it is material that is on another website just posting a link is sufficient. Otherwise a lengthy post is alright....within reason of course.
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echthroi_man
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Posted - 08/03/2002 : 21:13:05 [Permalink]
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If it is material that is on another website just posting a link is sufficient. Otherwise a lengthy post is alright....within reason of course.
Thank you. It may be awhile before I get it finished; I will have to work on it in my free time, but I hope to be able to post it by next weekend.
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