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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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 Posted - 09/04/2002 : 19:04:50
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Did you know that now I'm allowed to go and see if any of my activism has been monitored by the police?
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E836532,00.html
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The American Civil Liberties Union announced last March it had proof Denver police were spying on citizens who weren't participating in criminal activity.
Mayor Wellington Webb appointed a three-judge panel to look at the files and recommend what to do with them.
The judges concluded the collection was flawed and should be destroyed, but some protested it should be preserved as a historical document.
Even Mayor Webb had a file in the Denver 'Spy Files' as a young activist.
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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Archibald Stuart (1791)
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
234 Posts |
 Posted - 09/04/2002 : 19:16:27 [Permalink]
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Who's Watching You?
--I am, through your window.
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
234 Posts |
Posted - 09/04/2002 : 19:18:22 [Permalink]
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Really, that's disturbing considering I live in Colorado Springs.
Ratted out by the internet- thank your uncle Al Gore for inventing it kids.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2002 : 00:08:55 [Permalink]
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Even Mayor Webb had a file in the Denver 'Spy Files' as a young activist.
What!!!? You are surprised?
I ALWAYS assume that anything I do anywhere, not just on the 'net' has someone monitoring me. For good or bad....doesn't bother me. Knock youself out!
Ever since I heard that the FBI or was it the CIA was copying car licence plates #s of people who were parked near where there were marches against the Viet Nam war, urban legend or not, it got me thinking.
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*Carabao forever
*SAN FERNANDO VALLEY SECESSION - YES
*All lives are movie settings, it's what channel you're on that counts. Zatikia
*Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2002 : 02:23:42 [Permalink]
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Snake, we're talking the local police. They were keeping tabs on all activists and listing organizations as a threat just to continue their spy game.
No one should feel coerced by their government keeping records on citizens that have not broken the law. That is where the problem came in.
It's kind of like someone going through your things when your not there. It happens - that doesn't mean you have to shut up and take it.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2002 : 02:25:43 [Permalink]
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--I am, through your window.
Kinda hard through the blacked out windows. I work graves.
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Snake
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USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2002 : 20:33:19 [Permalink]
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Snake, we're talking the local police. They were keeping tabs on all activists and listing organizations as a threat just to continue their spy game.
Feds, local, whatever. Mine was only an example. I can tell you about something I have personal knowledge of. And it is local.
I used to be a volunteer with my local PD. A citizen surveillance group. My favorite thing to do was be on roof tops with binoculars. I thought about how people went about their business not knowing that they were being observed. I of course was doing it for their protection but how often could something like that get out of hand. J. Edgar, comes to mind.
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No one should feel coerced by their government keeping records on citizens that have not broken the law. That is where the problem came in.
It's kind of like someone going through your things when your not there. It happens - that doesn't mean you have to shut up and take it.
Of course not, I never said that. I was only saying one should always be 'on guard'.
You never know what really is going on around you, even when you think you do.
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*Carabao forever
*SAN FERNANDO VALLEY SECESSION - YES
*All lives are movie settings, it's what channel you're on that counts. Zatikia
*Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand.
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
234 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2002 : 21:50:17 [Permalink]
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I had serious qualms about that 1-800 number your nosy neighbors were supposed to call to tell the police you are a terrorist. Even the USPS blew that one off.
More than asking people to spy on each other (I bet trailer parks alone would jam the line), I worry about what happens to that little nugget of info about you? If the cops decided not to check it out, how would you ever know that report existed, and would it stay on a database somewhere?
If the fuzz did look into it, that would certainly generate a report with your private information, even if they found nothing. Plus you've been hassled for no reason.
What about the neighbor that gets his ass shot trying to spy for uncle sam? Face it, alot of people are idiots. Even if the fed doesn't want citizens out and out spying on each other, some morons will push it way too far. Who goes to jail on that one?
The whole idea just sounds positively soviet to me.
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The SollyLama
Skeptic Friend
USA
234 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2002 : 15:06:12 [Permalink]
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If you don't want people in your private business, NEVER apply for a security clearance.
Don't even marry someone with one.
I'm not kidding, you WILL have a file started on you if you do.
Even getting married to someone with a clearance means that a SAC (Single Agency Check) will be done on the uncleared spouse. That's a call to the FBI to see f you're on file.
A Secret clearance requires a NAC (National Agency Check) which includes a credit check, release of your medical files, the FBI, and local cops.
Top Secret requires an SSBI (Single Scope Background Investigation) which is every detail of your life. An investigator will talk to your neighbors, your relatives, your friends and finally, you. Make sure you butter up neighbors before submitting for an SSBI. You sign releases giving up pretty much all right to privacy.
Don't even get me started on polygraphs. I hate those damn things.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 09/06/2002 : 23:57:48 [Permalink]
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I applied for the TS when I applied to DLI. Kinda required. At the time, I didn't care. Half the ground work was done - my brother was on Embassy Duty. Ah well, no bother, blew my knee and lost my seat at DLI.
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