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jmcginn
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Posted - 11/15/2002 :  16:12:16  Show Profile  Visit jmcginn's Homepage Send jmcginn a Private Message
An article of most disturbing news. What are the views of the regulars here on this matter.

In my opinion Osama has done more damage to this country then even he realizes, of course it is self-inflicted damage caused the knee jerk reactions of those voted in charge. I am still not sure how such moves can be made without strong opposition from proponents of basic constitutional rights. Where is the opposition to this crap? I am almost to the point of becoming a modern day hippie and start going to sit-ins and marches, waving my cardboard signs and screaming at the top of my lungs, but I am afraid I would be the only one there . Does anybody know any groups already organizing against such matters, the ACLU maybe?

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/14/opinion/14SAFI.html?ex=1037854800&en=3778829e1bec3dc2&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

quote:

You Are a Suspect
By WILLIAM SAFIRE


ASHINGTON - If the Homeland Security Act is not amended before passage, here is what will happen to you:

Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event you attend - all these transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department describes as "a virtual, centralized grand database."

To this computerized dossier on your private life from commercial sources, add every piece of information that government has about you - passport application, driver's license and bridge toll records, judicial and divorce records, complaints from nosy neighbors to the F.B.I., your lifetime paper trail plus the latest hidden camera surveillance - and you have the supersnoop's dream: a "Total Information Awareness" about every U.S. citizen.

This is not some far-out Orwellian scenario. It is what will happen to your personal freedom in the next few weeks if John Poindexter gets the unprecedented power he seeks.

Remember Poindexter? Brilliant man, first in his class at the Naval Academy, later earned a doctorate in physics, rose to national security adviser under President Ronald Reagan. He had this brilliant idea of secretly selling missiles to Iran to pay ransom for hostages, and with the illicit proceeds to illegally support contras in Nicaragua.

A jury convicted Poindexter in 1990 on five felony counts of misleading Congress and making false statements, but an appeals court overturned the verdict because Congress had given him immunity for his testimony. He famously asserted, "The buck stops here," arguing that the White House staff, and not the president, was responsible for fateful decisions that might prove embarrassing.

This ring-knocking master of deceit is back again with a plan even more scandalous than Iran-contra. He heads the "Information Awareness Office" in the otherwise excellent Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which spawned the Internet and stealth aircraft technology. Poindexter is now realizing his 20-year dream: getting the "data-mining" power to snoop on every public and private act of every American.

Even the hastily passed U.S.A. Patriot Act, which widened the scope of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and weakened 15 privacy laws, raised requirements for the government to report secret eavesdropping to Congress and the courts. But Poindexter's assault on individual privacy rides roughshod over such oversight.

He is determined to break down the wall between commercial snooping and secret government intrusion. The disgraced admiral dismisses such necessary differentiation as bureaucratic "stovepiping." And he has been given a $200 million budget to create computer dossiers on 300 million Americans.

When George W. Bush was running for president, he stood foursquare in defense of each person's medical, financial and communications privacy. But Poindexter, whose contempt for the restraints of oversight drew the Reagan administration into its most serious blunder, is still operating on the presumption that on such a sweeping theft of privacy rights, the buck ends with him and not with the president.

This time, however, he has been seizing power in the open. In the past week John Markoff of The Times, followed by Robert O'Harrow of The Washington Post, have revealed the extent of Poindexter's operation, but editorialists have not grasped its undermining of the Freedom of Information Act.

Political awareness can overcome "Total Information Awareness," the combined force of commercial and government snooping. In a similar overreach, Attorney General Ashcroft tried his Terrorism Information and Prevention System (TIPS), but public outrage at the use of gossips and postal workers as snoops caused the House to shoot it down. The Senate should now do the same to this other exploitation of fear.

The Latin motto over Poindexter"s new Pentagon office reads "Scientia Est Potentia" - "knowledge is power." Exactly: the government's infinite knowledge about you is its power over you. "We're just as concerned as the next person with protecting privacy," this brilliant mind blandly assured The Post. A jury found he spoke falsely before.

PhDreamer
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Posted - 11/15/2002 :  16:26:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit PhDreamer's Homepage Send PhDreamer a Private Message
Assuming he's in contact with terrorist cells stateside, I think Osama knows exactly what he's doing.

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Tim
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Posted - 11/17/2002 :  02:40:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tim a Private Message
quote:
Where is the opposition to this crap?


Oh man, you best start to sittin' and marchin', and to wavin' and screamin', 'cause dare be no real opposin'. Ain't you heard? We at war, boy! We gotta give up a some o' dem dare freedoms ta make da world safe fer democracy, and da right ta warship Jesus like real Amercans!

Son, ain't cha got behind yer president? He's gonna put dis country back on da road ta Jesus, jus' like da Constitution say. We ain't havin' no godless farner, terrists come in, an' push 'dis coutry aroun'. Oh, no! We Amercans, boy. Ain't no un gonna push da USA aroun'. No way!

"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Gorgo
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Posted - 11/17/2002 :  04:19:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
There's all kinds of opposition to this crap. People are holding demonstrations all over, but they're on the wrong side of the battle between Good and Evil, you understand. Jesus will not save them, even if they beg for mercy.

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The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
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Snake
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Posted - 11/17/2002 :  22:30:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Snake's Homepage  Send Snake an ICQ Message  Send Snake a Yahoo! Message Send Snake a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by jmcginn
I am afraid I would be the only one there . Does anybody know any groups already organizing against such matters, the ACLU maybe

Haven't you seen them (groups protesting) in the news? Here in Los Angeles it's been on the news. No, you sure aren't alone. You might also consider checking into what the Libertarian party thinks about forien policy.
The USA is not ALWAYS right. It's a bunch of propaganda if you ask me.
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