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the_ignored
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Posted - 11/16/2002 :  15:18:48  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message
Another winner from the "Raptue Ready" web site: http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.html



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The Pentagon is probably hoping to see a repeat of the amazing success it had conducting the campaign in Afghanistan. I have a feeling the going this time around will be much more difficult.

Iraq has a strong connection to demonic forces that stretch all the way back to the days of Babylon. These demons will obviously not want to be uprooted from a land they've kept under bondage for centuries. It's rarely reported in the western press about how Saddam Hussein has become a miracle man at surviving numerous coups and assassination attempts. I think demons are simply looking out for their human host.


I think that this guy's touched in the head. Only a religious fundamentalist could come up with this. I've heard of demonizing your enemies but this is ridiculous. The sad thing is, there are millions of people who believe this kind of thing. For one thing, every such madman like Saddam gets defeated in the end. Look at Hitler. The puny human Allies seemed to do a good job of defeating the "demons" that ruled Hitler and Germany in the second World War.

Of course, the religious would say that it was God that did it. If so, then why didn't god do it like one time in the bible (I forget where) where he had a prophet (Joshua?) gather up an army and then wittle it down to just 300 men so that "no one could say that men won the battle, it was God's work." Just think if God had done that in WWII. A shining example of his existence, and many lives saved! Of course, the religious will say something about "free will" and "god won't interfere in our decisions". Then why did he do so in the Biblical Age? People still had "free will" back then. Only back then people had LOTS of examples of god's works. Now, all we get are excuses!

So, where do they get their stuff from?

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The Bible says that there are four angels currently in bondage at a location somewhere along the Euphrates river. When they are released, these four fallen angels will have the power to kill one-third of mankind.

"Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men" (Rev 9:14-15).

The encounters that Jesus had with demons seems to indicate that these spirit beings prefer to stay in one location until they are forcibly removed. If the Saddam régime is defeated, the demons that influenced Iraq may end up relocating to aid the Antichrist and his apparatus.


I'm sorry, but any other person of any other belief system said that kind of thing would be put in the funny farm.

Comments? Am I overreacting here?

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

Slater
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Youre over reacting a little. The Iraqies say the same thing about us.

I hear that the UN has a plan that if (ha, if!!) the weapons inspectors have problems they will send in 200 head of swine. Then we can put the demons into the swine and drive them into the Euphrates.
Hey, it worked before...

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Jimmy_Reynolds
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Posted - 11/16/2002 :  16:37:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Jimmy_Reynolds's Homepage  Send Jimmy_Reynolds a Yahoo! Message Send Jimmy_Reynolds a Private Message
Yikes!
These demons must have been busy elsewhere when their bud was trying to hang on to Kuwait in 1991; possibly teaching evolution or inspiring the Harry Potter books or something.
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Tim
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Posted - 11/17/2002 :  02:01:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tim a Private Message
Apparently, I'm showing my ignorance, yet again! Why isn't this guy in an institution? What's the difference between seeing demons in Iraq, or seeing them under your bed?

"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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filthy
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Posted - 11/17/2002 :  03:46:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
He seems harmless enough, albeit a tad fixated upon the Raves of Revelations. He's doing brief, news article comentary and it's interesting to see the spin he puts on it.

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In Turkey, there was a weekend election that resulted in two Islamic parties gaining enough seats to control the government. The Justice and Development Party (AKP)say they do not want to change the secularist society, but that remains to be seen. If they don't try to impose Islamic rule, it will be a first for a Muslim faith based political party. Because of its location, Turkey could play a key role in the coming Russian (Gog) invasion of Israel.

There has been a host of news reports about Applied Digital Solution's microchip implant. The company claims that their product is not the mark of the Beast. Of course, that will quickly change when the Antichrist places an order for 6 billion microchips.

I'm the most surprised by the prophetic development taking place in Europe. The formation of the European Union is moving so fast, the pace will likely need to slow greatly to allow for other events predicted by the Bible to catch up.

Whenever we have a large number of end times indicators all moving at the same time and in the same direction, this level of activity demands our attention. There is a mathematical rule of probability that comes into play when you have a number of related factors all occurring at the same time.

A single example might have a one hundred to one chance of being prophetically significant. When there are two components, you multiply them, resulting in a likelihood of 10,000 to one, and when three are three, the odds would grow to be a million to one. With more than a dozen end time factors taken shape on the world stage, it would seem highly likely that the final days are in the works.




Kind of a fun read, although I'm not sure I understand his mathmatics.

f

"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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Tim
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Posted - 11/17/2002 :  04:10:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tim a Private Message
quote:
He seems harmless enough, albeit a tad fixated upon the Raves of Revelations.


Okay...He kinda reminds me of a paranoid internet version of David J. Smith of AM radio "America is the new nation of God's chosen." But, maybe Smith can count better.

"Harmless?" Dunno. Too many of these guys and you get self-fulfilling prophesy.

"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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filthy
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Posted - 11/17/2002 :  10:43:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
I see what you're sayin', bro.

But thus far the guy hasn't offered any sort of violence or subversion, what ever his dreadful and joyous delusions might be.

At least up until the end of the year 2000, we were guarenteed the right to express most any sort codswallop or wisdom that came to mind, print or audible. I might argue with, or laugh at, someone for that, but I'll never condemn him. I too, rave a bit, now and then, sometimes incohrently.

If we begin to stifle the opinions of others, the Skeptic's voice will be the first to be silenced. Ya see what I'm sayin'?

So, I sez, let's get a good chuckle out of 'Hot, Wet Lust for the End of It All' and move the traffic down the road. "Just a little lunacy, folks; nothin' to see here. Move along, please."



f

"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Tim
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Posted - 11/19/2002 :  04:07:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tim a Private Message
Yeah, you're right, F.

I would never advocate forcing ideas onto another...maybe beat a little sense into a few...kidding...but, on the other hand, I'm not about to let some things go unchallenged.

The difference between me,(and probably you, and most of the rest of those on this BB), is that we will defend their legal right to say what they want, or believe what they want, while many of those extremists on the far right or the left will do what they can to silence our voices, if our ideas are in opposition to theirs'. I believe in taking the fight over ideas to the town square--not the town hall. But, once on the town square, I ain't pullin' no punches.

"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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Tim
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Posted - 11/19/2002 :  04:10:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Tim a Private Message
Then again, the fundies can be really fun, sometimes.

"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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the_ignored
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Posted - 11/25/2002 :  22:31:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message

from: http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.htmlnear the top:

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In the northern Nigerian city of Kaduna, Islamic followers went on a three day rampage. The rioting left at least 215 people dead. The violence began after a local newspaper published an article suggesting that Islam's founding prophet would have approved of the Miss World beauty pageant. The article said, "What would Muhammad think? In all honesty, he would probably have chosen a wife from among them." Of course, this was more than enough justification for Islamic radicals to go about setting people on fire or hacking them to death.

If the reporter had used Jesus Christ's name in the story, I highly doubt that Christians would have rioted in streets. The western media has reported this events in a way that makes it seem like a murderous uproar by Islamic extremists is simply a common occurrence.


Well, NOW they wouldn't. But a few hundred years ago, all it took was an accusation of "wafer-stabbing" against jews, for xtians to kill jews. see: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/james_haught/holy.html for

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The Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 proclaimed the doctrine of transubstantiation: that the host wafer miraculously turns into the body of Jesus during the mass. Soon rumors spread that Jews were stealing the sacred wafers and stabbing or driving nails through them to crucify Jesus again. Reports said that the pierced host bled, cried out, or emitted spirits. On this charge, Jews were burned at the stake in 1243 in Belitz, Germany -- the first of many killings that continued into the 1800s. To avenge the tortured host, the German knight Rindfliesch led a brigade in 1298 that exterminated 146 defenseless Jewish communities in six months.


Not to mention this..http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/james_haught/holywar.html

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Network TV crews swarmed to Charleston. A cameraman was trounced by protesters at a born-again rally. The Rev. Ezra Graley led a march on the state Capitol and filed a federal suit against the textbooks. Graley and other ministers were jailed for contempt of the court injunction.

Schools reopened. The boycott resumed. The Rev. Charles Quigley prayed for God to kill the board members who endorsed the books. A grade school was hit by a Molotov cocktail. Five shots hit a school bus. A dynamite blast damaged another grade school. A bigger blast damaged the school central office.

Near-riot conditions continued. Robert Dornan of California, a pornography foe, addressed a crowd of 3,000. Protesters started evangelical schools. A fundamentalist magistrate led an attempt to make eastern Kanawha a separate county.

Minister Horan and three of his followers were indicted for the bombings. Ku Klux Klan leaders led a Charleston rally to support them. An imperial wizard from Georgia said the Kanawha textbooks contained "the most vulgar, vile and filthy words in print" -- which was odd, since non-fundamentalists couldn't find any obscenities in them.

During the trial in 1975, other followers said Horan had led the dynamite plot, telling them there was "a time to kill." They said the plotters talked of wiring dynamite caps into the gas tanks of cars in which families were driving their children to school during the boycott. All four defendants went to federal prison.


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I strongly believe the reason why Islam has escaped any major criticism is directly related to demonic activity that is working to unify the world's religions. The book of Revelation describes the false churches as the great whore. If Sept 11 had occur during any other point in history, we would have seen scores of people deported back to their native country. I take the religious lovefest as a sign of the tribulation's nearness.


This just goes to show that when one is ignorant of one's own philosophies' cruelties, it becomes real easy to act 'holier-than-thou' and to say things like "christians would never do a thing like that" even though history shows that they HAVE done things like that.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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filthy
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Posted - 11/26/2002 :  04:04:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:


This just goes to show that when one is ignorant of one's own philosophies' cruelties, it becomes real easy to act 'holier-than-thou' and to say things like "christians would never do a thing like that" even though history shows that they HAVE done things like that.


Indeed. The few differences I can see between Muslim, terrorist idiots and their Christian counterparts is that the bible-ravers are not suicidal. Yet, anyway.

All things being equal, both listen intently to madmen and believe the heavenly crap they spout. The Christian want's to get away with murder and hang around a while longer, the Muslim desires only to get to Heaven without further delay.

Could the reason be that the rabid Christians actually have some material blessings here on earth (lots of blessings happily donated by other, less-endowed Christians who would be better advised to save their money), while the faithful, Muslim suicide bombers own doodly-squat and are inlikely to see an improvment?

What, I wonder is the comparitive, material wealth of the two faiths. I know that the Vatican is wallowing in gelt and, aside from snake-handlers and other, obscure churches, the Protastants et al, are certainly well enough off. But how 'bout the Muslims? Do the mullas hoard tiths and donations and beg for (or demand) more at every opportunity? I dunno. I don't know enough about Islam to say. I do know that it is not the mullas or the ayatollas who take flight training courses or pack a car with Composition 4, and drive up town with it.

In short, all religious faiths have a history of oppressing others, for whatever reason, including their own faithful. The difference is not so much one of degree, but of method. If the Christian / Islamic roles were reversed, I'd not be supprised to read of Suicide Bombers for Christ getting a hero's memorial (can't find enough body parts for a funeral).

Odd, is it not, that organized religions, all claiming to be for the benefit of all mankind, should be among the world's greater evils.

f




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Legallee Insane
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Posted - 12/01/2002 :  00:10:35   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Legallee Insane a Private Message
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Iraq has a strong connection to demonic forces that stretch all the way back to the days of Babylon. These demons will obviously not want to be uprooted from a land they've kept under bondage for centuries.

I think the big underlying theme here is that he's trying to point out that from an American point of view, these people are our enemies.

Characterizing them as demonic should not denote a religious overtone, nor should the part about being "kept under bondage for centuries."

While true that from our "Westernized" observations, they have been fighting wars over "holy" things for centuries, I don't think this is to say that God caused these problems or any other wars for that matter.
quote:
Youre over reacting a little. The Iraqies say the same thing about us.



I'm sure from their point of view, we are a people all consumed by hatred and living in a land of evil and oppression, so I guess that means we're even.

--"Only the fool says in his heart: There is no god -- The wise says it to the world"
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Kaneda Kuonji
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Posted - 12/06/2002 :  22:06:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Kaneda Kuonji a Private Message
*laughs at this*

Oh wait, he's serious? *laughs even harder*

I'm sorry, but this guy needs to get his nose out of the bible and start seeing the forest and the trees. Religion has caused more wars than anything else, and all this does is fan the flames.

Rodney Dean, CI Order of the Knights of Jubal
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