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Dr Shari
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 11/30/2002 : 02:26:55
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Is man really capable of a peacable existance? Can we ever live without wars, hatred or conflict? We are mammals with an appetite to hunt and conquer others that do not belong to our immediate pack or tribe. It seems more and more likely that we can not live in in harmony with each other. We talk of Peace as an ideal state of existance but we never seriously try to live that way. We find reasons both large and small to justify our discord and war-like existance. There seems to always be a justifiable reason for one person or group to hate another. Every attempt to get along is met with resistance.
I, myself, believe I could live happily without discord but I think I am in the minority. For all our talk of Peace we seem willing to throw the concept out the window the minute another culture doesn't agree with us. We need to be right in our belief of any subject or force others to agree with us.
The answer to the question "Can't we all just get along?" seems to be a resounding NO! As my health worsens I have no fear of death but I admit I feel sorry for those who are going to continue to live in a world where it seems likely religious differences, make believe lines on a map and a few MEN with personal agenda's are going to be given the power by the majority to make policies that will lead to destruction rather then letting sanity rule. Nuclear weapons, biological terrorism and chemical destruction at the hands of the few will cause death and destruction to the many and we will sit by and let it happen rather then stand up and be counted to stop it. Americans have to stop blaming foriegn goverments for the predictament we find ourself in and realize we are responsible for the negitive view of us as a people. Stop blaming the other guy and admit those who dislike us are not jealous but have a legitamate gripe about our superior atttitude.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/30/2002 : 05:21:02 [Permalink]
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| Well, we don't all have to learn that. Those of us who understand that we can live in peace just have to kill the rest. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/30/2002 : 08:53:18 [Permalink]
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Well, we don't all have to learn that. Those of us who understand that we can live in peace just have to kill the rest.
Yes indeed! Let's get started right away!
Really, it's another, great question to lay on the UFO believers. If aliens actually came here, what would they find?
They would discover a planet dominated by a single, prolific, highly aggressive species that would love the chance to kill strangers for a change. Methinks that they would put their craft in high gear away from here. Abduct us? Yeesh! Who would want the hassle? We are far too much of a handful; far too addicted to throat-cutting. We hate far too well.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: "Sentience and big brains have yet to be proven to have any, long-term, evolutionary survival value."
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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Hobbes
New Member
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2002 : 12:36:38 [Permalink]
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| So you're saying we should sit back and listen to the complaints and raghead fuckers fly planes into all of our skyscrapers? Sorry, but they declared the god damned Jyhad on us babe, and now the sky is going to fall on the bastards. We'll live in peace after we've extracted a toll for every life that has been taken from our people. There is a very distinct line between peace and pacifism. If you're not willing to fight to defend your country, then you just as well surrender to those that will. Wake up and smell the thorns; humans like to kill each other, and I'd rather be on the side that avoids being killed. |
And Newton said, "y'= lim h->0 of [f(x+h)-f(x)]/[(x+h)-x], thus, Calculus was born, and Newton saw that it was good. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2002 : 12:57:48 [Permalink]
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| Sorry, but most of the hundreds of thousands of people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan and Yugoslavia and Panama and Grenada by the U.S. in the last few years would have been very happy to live in peace with the U.S. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
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Hobbes
New Member
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2002 : 13:04:56 [Permalink]
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| Yeah, and so would the "hundreds of thousands" of Americans killed in those conflicts. What is your point? Peace is impossible, at least it will be until people realize that there is no difference between us, and when religion is freed of the dogma of conflict. But don't try to blame the lack of peace in the world on America. Maybe I mis-spoke; there can really never be retribution for the WTC. What do you suggest? How would you stop terrorism? And do you really think that good old Sadam will live in peace with the world while he has control of the Iraqi military? Historical precedent indicates otherwise... |
And Newton said, "y'= lim h->0 of [f(x+h)-f(x)]/[(x+h)-x], thus, Calculus was born, and Newton saw that it was good. |
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 12/06/2002 : 13:06:36 [Permalink]
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Yugoslavia? So you were for their slaughter of Bosnians? You keep throwing Yugoslavia in there as if you were asleep while the massacres were shown on TV. While some things you post are true and are good points, to have no filter on these matters makes your entire case look bad.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2002 : 14:00:06 [Permalink]
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| The first step to end terrorism is to stop committing it, and stop supporting it. |
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@tomic
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2002 : 17:48:58 [Permalink]
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There's just not much evidence for that.
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Originally posted by @tomic
Indeed, that's why we bombed Belgrade. To stop their terrorism...sorry, I mean genocide of the Bosnians.
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@tomic
Administrator
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Posted - 12/06/2002 : 17:57:01 [Permalink]
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So mass graves dug up by your buddies at the UN, interviews, photographs, TV footage don't mean anything to you? Why is it that when it suits you this sort of evidence is fine but when it isn't you play Darwin Alogos? What's evidence on Friday needs to be evidence on the other 6 days of the week or you look mighty silly.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2002 : 18:48:27 [Permalink]
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| I don't know what a Darwin Alogos is, but what you're saying is that the U.S. didn't stop any "genocide." (genocide, like terrorism, is what the other guys do) Make up your mind. The U.S. bombing of the people they were trying to "save" only increased the killing. It didn't solve anything, in fact it only made things worse. Much like Somalia. |
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The dog has not been fed in years
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But it's alright-
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Robert Hunter
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@tomic
Administrator
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4607 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2002 : 19:13:21 [Permalink]
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Gorgo, sometimes you are right but when it comes to Yugoslavia you haven't done your research. So you are saying Milosovich should be set free because he's just a patsy? I said quite clearly that the US bombed Belgrade to stop the slaughter(actually it was Kosovo at the time) and succeeded where all the nations of Europe combined could not. Ummmmm, I don't know what you mean by "made things worse" because the war is over, the people overthrew Milosovich after a fraudulent election and the killing has stopped. I take it that this is not satisfactory to you and you want the bloodshed to resume because that is exactly what you are implying.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2002 : 05:42:36 [Permalink]
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| Again, @tomic you swallow State Department press releases whole and accuse me of not doing "research." Do some research for yourself. The U.S. and Western Europe aggravated the situation, they didn't solve it. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2002 : 21:02:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hobbes
So you're saying we should sit back and listen to the complaints and raghead fuckers fly planes into all of our skyscrapers? Sorry, but they declared the god damned Jyhad on us babe, and now the sky is going to fall on the bastards. We'll live in peace after we've extracted a toll for every life that has been taken from our people. There is a very distinct line between peace and pacifism. If you're not willing to fight to defend your country, then you just as well surrender to those that will. Wake up and smell the thorns; humans like to kill each other, and I'd rather be on the side that avoids being killed.
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When you've just gotta vent.
But seriously folks, the notion of keeping score of atrocities- the "we can't stop killing them now, they're ahead by two" thinking- is exactly what's kept the inhabitants of the pitiful remnants of Yugoslavia slaughtering each other over grievances going back to 1389.
It's kept sectarian violence a healthy industry in the north of Ireland since- when? and bids fair to keep the "Holy Land" a fine exemplar of Hell into the indeterminate future.
Our species desperately needs to realize that there ain't no Cosmic Bookie keeping watch on the point spread and that the most profitable thing to do is to call the game and see if we can't fix the field back up.
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Dr Shari
Skeptic Friend
135 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2002 : 01:13:11 [Permalink]
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Gee, Rag Heads. That just kinda proves my point. We don't need a few religous zealots killing a few thousands Americans when we can blow all the men women and children ragheads up and get on with proving we are the biggest bully on the block after all.
For the cooler heads who responded Thanks for making feel sure that I still do have a reason to hope.
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