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Slater
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 Posted - 01/09/2003 : 19:19:19 [Permalink]
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| Don't let the website door hit you in the arse on the way out. |
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Slater
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Posted - 01/09/2003 : 20:00:46 [Permalink]
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To attack an opponent in an argument is an obvious sign of the weakness of your argument.
This is pretty funny. Jmcginn, you caught him being Intellectually Dishonest (what the ID in ID theory stands for) He doesn't deny it. He doesn't rationalize it, and he certainly doesn't apologize for it. Rather he attacks you for mentioning his poor behavior.
No lack of ego there. No surprise he thinks that the Holy Trinity is his dentist. |
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@tomic
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Posted - 01/09/2003 : 20:33:32 [Permalink]
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Jc attacked your reasoning, your "facts" and the fact that you didn't back up your claims sufficiently or at all really. I can't blame you for giving up. You were bluffing and he called your high ace because he had a full house. I bet you feel your faith diminished in the face of this. The truth doesn't have to hurt you know. Education is only painful when you don't learn from your mistakes so you can move on to greater learning. You have opted to languish in the whirling cesspool of ignorance better known as creationism. Good luck.
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NottyImp
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/10/2003 : 05:48:12 [Permalink]
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A simple phrase that should be taught to Creationists (in fact, it should be taught to pretty much everyone):
"I don't know much about this, but my understanding is... what's your take on it?"
As I get older, I find myself using it more and more: it's really useful for finding things out from other people. |
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Fireballn
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Posted - 01/12/2003 : 02:34:26 [Permalink]
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It's too bad Doomar left. I'm sure the whole board will miss bashing him too. He is altimately the fuel that keeps the atheist fire burning. Everyone will not admit it, but if it wasn't for people like him, there would be no fun in being an atheist. The facts are stacked for the atheist and to defend creation in a logical sense is futile. For slater to state that he doesn't mind that doomar disappears is a misnomer. Everybody can not wait for another like him to come by to be dismantled.
I think Doomar is a necessary piece in the truth gathering process. Look at the responses when someone states a controversial topic. People like the blood bath, it is intellectual gladiators. Everyone wants a piece to show their intellectual muscle. You might state you don't want him around....but secretly I think you want him right were he is, wrong and vulnerable. |
If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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ConsequentAtheist
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Posted - 01/12/2003 : 07:22:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Fireballn
It's too bad Doomar left. ... You might state you don't want him around....but secretly I think you want him right were he is, wrong and vulnerable.
Why? We apparently still have you, and dealing with the wrong and pretentious is always more challenging. |
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chainsaw
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USA
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Posted - 01/12/2003 : 08:57:19 [Permalink]
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| I agree with Fireballn a bit, however, these fundy guys are on a mission. I don't think they actually learn anything. You have to remember, this is an every day intellectual discussion for us, but if Doomar can't "prove" his position, he loses his salvation. He is literally fighting for his everlasting life. Pretty heavy stuff if you think about it. |
You can "believe" what you want, but you do have to get your science right or you'll flunk science. |
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@tomic
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Posted - 01/12/2003 : 15:29:06 [Permalink]
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Fireballn, I think you miss the point about discussion boards. Isn't it more than obvious that having a debate requires opposing viewpoints? If everyone sits around and agrees there is no debate and little is learned. A debate is only a bloodbath when one side comes whoefully unprepared or their side has nothing to go against the other. I think doomar in some way realized he was holding an empty bag while slater, jc, and CA have very large bags filled with facts.
I think it's very telling that people that are impressed by creationism and intelligent design, while perhaps educated and sometimes articulate, know nothing about or nearly nothing natural sciences.
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Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
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Antie
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2003 : 16:49:45 [Permalink]
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> Evolution is both a fact and a theory just like gravity is both a
> fact and a theory.
I know quite a few people who would answer this by saying "Yeah, well, gravity is a law, but evolution isn't. So balls to your statement."  |
Antie. DIES GAUDII.
Facies Fabulosarum Feminarum
If you can name all six of the females in the picture above without looking up their names, and you can read the Latin phrase, pat yourself on the back. You're smart. |
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Fireballn
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Posted - 01/12/2003 : 21:18:51 [Permalink]
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| Chainsaw, I do not think Doomar was fighting for his everlasting life, I think he was fighting for the everlasting life of everybody else (In a strange way). He was trying to force feed a skeptic board.....not a good idea. |
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NottyImp
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/13/2003 : 04:45:56 [Permalink]
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| And yet... and yet... I'm still amazed and confounded by the mind-set that people like Doomar display. Ask them to find a decent school for their kids to attend, or to pick the best insurance policy, and they'll happily use a method that looks not a little like a simplified version of the scientific method to do this. Perhaps even if you asked them to verify a simple (un-challenging) scientific fact, they would make a decent fist of coming up with a testable hypothesis, designing an experiment and collecting the data. Ask them to apply these same methods to the supernatural, however, and suddenly it all breaks down. I still have difficulty understanding that. |
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Slater
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Posted - 01/13/2003 : 10:18:35 [Permalink]
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Antie, you send a chill up my spine.
Science is mandatory in high school. It's on TV all the time, there's even a Science channel.
But you don't understand something as simple as what a "law" is, do you? You are probably in the majority. It's a very, very sad thing. |
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 01/13/2003 : 11:20:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Slater
Antie, you send a chill up my spine.
Science is mandatory in high school. It's on TV all the time, there's even a Science channel.
But you don't understand something as simple as what a "law" is, do you? You are probably in the majority. It's a very, very sad thing.
I was hoping that Antie was just being sarcastic, but maybe that was just wishful hoping  .
Antie I do hope you know that the law of gravity and the basic laws of motion were shown to not be 100% accurate. Since they are simply observations that seem to remain constant they were found to be different when observed under certain conditions thus the laws are actually false under certain conditions. (Very small entities or at very high speeds the laws of motion and gravity break down).
I also hope you read over this thread and realize that a law and a theory are separate entities and a theory never becomes a law, a law is an observation, a theory is an explanation, there is the law of gravity as mentioned (an observation of the effects of gravity) above and the theory of gravity as well (which explains how gravity works), and a theory is the ultimate goal of science (not a law).
Another good example would be:
Under certain conditions the law of gravity and laws of motion break down and are false. It could well be that under certain conditions the law of biogenesis (all life comes from other life) could well break down and life could evolve from non-life. The evidence for this under certain conditions continues to mount. |
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jmcginn
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Posted - 01/13/2003 : 11:24:14 [Permalink]
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Hey how in the hell did I get the initals Jc? Those are way to close to the initals of the mythical jerk from around 2 kya who saved all those who thought he was real and tortured everone else forever. No way do I want that rap.  |
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PhDreamer
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Posted - 01/13/2003 : 11:32:23 [Permalink]
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jmcginn, as that was as thorough an ass-kicking as I've seen, we must now consider you an origins-messiah. Just think, those initials might one day evoke thoughts of you, rather than that pious fraud.
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