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walt fristoe
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 Posted - 02/06/2003 : 17:33:01
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I wasn't sure whether to post this in religion or politics, since it concerns both, so I just flipped a (figurative) coin.
I've become somewhat concerned about the political agenda of the religious right. Just what are their goals?
"The religious right is fundamentalism's political arm. It seeks objectives that are depicted in fundamentalist literature as being derived from, or consonant with, biblical prescriptions and prophecies. Statements of these objectives vary considerably, but the principle goals are constant and prominent: a fundamentalist theocracy--that is, a government operated according to fundamentalist readings of the Bible; an economy of capitalism, more or less unrestrained; a foreign policy based on nationalism and chauvanism reinforced by militarism; a social organization in which women would be subordinate to men and would focus their lives on reproduction; a system of education that would discourage analytical thinking in all realms except the purely technical ones; a system of science that would serve only to support commerce and to generate sophistic demonstrations that facts of nature conform to biblical narratives; and theocratic suppression of cultural, intellectual, ethical, or sexual departures from the prescriptions of biblical authorities." William J. Bannetta
How might these objectives be accomplished?
Check out this article by Stephen D. Mumford,
and also:
"Christians around the country are preparing for war. Our churches are stockpiling weapons, and we are going forth with the might of the Lord. We have been preparing while the sodomites and sinners have been focusing on themselves. They have tried taking over our country, but when we strike, we will strike hard. We are the ones with the guns. We are the ones with the power and might. We are the majority! The Constitution and courts have betrayed us, but we will take over and set the Bible as the law for our Christian land. The Bible states that America must be a Christian nation once again for the Lord to come in Rapture. So hide now, but we know and the Lord knows your shadows. And remember--we have the backing of a Christian president who will lead us. Your liberal ways will end. The alarm is about to ring. Come to Christ now or perish!" snippet from an AOL post, author unknown.
Do we really have a Christian president? Oh yes!
"I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president." George W. Bush
"Our priorities is our faith" George W. Bush
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush
As Aristotle said, "A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side."
Has anything like this Christian take-over happened before? Oh yes!
"I am now completely convinced that I am acting as the agent of God. I am now a Catholic and will always remain so." Adolf Hitler
"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?" Adolf Hitler
"Secular shcools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith...we need believing people." Adolf Hitler
"A campaign against the 'Godless Movement' and an appeal for Catholic support were launched by Chancellor Adolf Hitler's forces." Associated Press, February 23, 1933
"Under Hitler, 'Jesus' prayers became mandatory in all schools. Abortion was a crime. Homosexuality was criminalized. Hitler put into practice everything our republican leaders are now pushing for." William Edelen, Religion is the Cause of Violence, 1999
"The leaders of the Protestant church, with only a few exceptions, endorsed in general the establishment of the Nazi regime in Germany...The establishment of the Third Reich represented for Protestant leaders...the triumph of national religious faith. They generally welcomed that victory with joy." Prof. T. S. Hamerow, On the Road to the Wolf's Lair
What might be the result of a successful power grab by the religious right?
"When I, or people like me are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed. ..If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have a righteous testosterone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt by their contemporaries. They are not here to get along. They are here to take over." Randall Terry
"God in His law requires the death penalty for homosexuals." R. J. Rushdoony
So yes, I definitely think we should be afraid!
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"If God chose George Bus of all the people in the world, how good could God be?"
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Edited by - walt fristoe on 04/14/2003 17:17:25
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gezzam
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Australia
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 Posted - 02/07/2003 : 09:42:20 [Permalink]
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| I'm just afraid of everything right now. So much power in the hands of those that state unequivocally that they are doing good for the world, yet these same people unwilling to listen to those that may oppose them..... |
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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NubiWan
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ktesibios
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Posted - 02/07/2003 : 18:01:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by NubiWan
It could be worse...
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030207_1983.html
Funny, I was going to post something about that in politics, but I see Nubiwan beat me to it.
You can often make a good prediction about what someone is planning to do by the tools they accumulate- if you see someone with a saw, a hammer, a sqaure, etc. it's a good bet they have some carpentry in mind. If you looked at my personal tool kit it wouldn't be hard to tell that I work with electronics; if you were a bit more knowledgable you could tell that I have something to do with audio.
What the Bush regime is trying to gather about them- secret arrests (called disappearances in the rest of the world), "targeted killings" (AKA death squads), deporting American citizens whose beliefs or associations Ashcroft doesn't approve of, a total surveillance society - in short, arbitrary, unaccountable, unlimited power of life and death over everyone- are the tools of totalitarian dictators.
So, what kind of job have they in mind to do with such tools?
Our Congresscritters arean't likely to lift a finger to stop such abominations from becoming law- the gutless b######s seem to labor under the delusion that as certifed members of the ruling "elite" they will be immune to the abuses and opressions they deem good enough for the rest of us.
The only thing that could give them enough spine not to roll over for whatever the Emperor commands is plenty of public opposition.
Time to crank up the letters and phone calls and let the Justice Department and our Senators and Representatives know that there are limits to how much of our freedom they can destroy. |
"The Republican agenda is to turn the United States into a third-world shithole." -P.Z.Myers |
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Tim
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 03:22:54 [Permalink]
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So yes, I definitely think we should be afraid!
Well, noooo....I'm not afraid--Just pissed.
This is just another cyclical swing to the right. The last one was fifty years ago. Then, we had the boogeyman Communism. Today, we have the boogeyman Terrorism. Some feel we had a swing to the right twenty years ago, but that was just a temporary flirtation with Libertarian Free-Market economics, disguised as Conservative fiscal management, which doesn't seem to want to go away, (not that I want it to go away completely).
Anyway, our knee-jerk, reactionary Republican controled Legislative, Judicial and Executive branches sincerely believe that they are limiting the influence of gov't by removing our Constitutional freedoms, just like Duane Gish truly believes that what he is doing is called science. Eventually, people will see through this mask of ignorance, vote the idiots out of office, and the cycle will swing left, again.
Unfortunately, I am afraid that the pinheads will do so much damage that it will take years to get ourselves back to center. These judges are in for life!
I also worry that the administation will keep us in a state of war until the next national elections. This will allow them to run on appeals to patriotism, rather than meaningful debates of their record.
As far as the extreme far right wackos, and their comrades the fundamentalists are concerned, they're like the herpes virus--Once you get 'em, they never entirely go away. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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walt fristoe
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Posted - 02/08/2003 : 14:23:46 [Permalink]
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| Check out this great site for a hell of a lot of fun! |
"If God chose George Bus of all the people in the world, how good could God be?"
Bill Maher |
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Tim
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Posted - 02/09/2003 : 01:20:14 [Permalink]
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Check out this great site for a hell of a lot of fun!
Thanks...enjoyed it much. Did you know that GW is my hero. I want to be just like him when I grow up--Rich and spoiled! |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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walt fristoe
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Posted - 02/10/2003 : 15:25:02 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Tim
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Check out this great site for a hell of a lot of fun!
Thanks...enjoyed it much. Did you know that GW is my hero. I want to be just like him when I grow up--Rich and spoiled!
Yeah, he's spoiled allright! Someone must have left him out in the sun for too long! |
"If God chose George Bus of all the people in the world, how good could God be?"
Bill Maher |
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walt fristoe
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gezzam
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Posted - 02/17/2003 : 22:15:21 [Permalink]
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The gratitude was mutual. "We pray for you -- in fact, we pray for you daily," Glenn Plummer, the broadcasters' chairman, said in his introduction. "The United States of America has been blessed by God Himself to have George W. Bush as president."
Well they do say the almighty works in strange ways, this must be one of 'em.
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Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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walt fristoe
SFN Regular
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505 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2003 : 11:31:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by gezzam
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The gratitude was mutual. "We pray for you -- in fact, we pray for you daily," Glenn Plummer, the broadcasters' chairman, said in his introduction. "The United States of America has been blessed by God Himself to have George W. Bush as president."
Well they do say the almighty works in strange ways, this must be one of 'em.
God must really love America to have given us such a strong, moral leader! Either that or He/She/It really hates us. Only His/Her/Its hairdresser knows for sure. |
"If God chose George Bus of all the people in the world, how good could God be?"
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Kaneda Kuonji
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2003 : 12:18:46 [Permalink]
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I love my country, and will fight to defend it. I do not feel that way about the government.
Ashcroft= McCarthy.
Should we be surprised by that equation? He's using similar tactics to Joseph McCarthy, with the "black lists" of people who disagree with him. |
Rodney Dean, CI Order of the Knights of Jubal
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walt fristoe
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walt fristoe
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Posted - 03/06/2003 : 17:40:16 [Permalink]
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| Here are a couple of articles about Bush and God; I thought y'all might find them interesting. |
"If God chose George Bus of all the people in the world, how good could God be?"
Bill Maher |
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 03/06/2003 : 19:47:40 [Permalink]
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It's odd that this war seems is becoming a Christian Jihad against a America's enemies who don't believe in the same god Dubya does....
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In this country and in Australia people believe that everybody has got worth, everybody counts, that everybody is equal in the eyes of the Almighty. So the issue is not only peace, the issue is freedom and liberty. I made it clear in my State of the Union -- and the people of Australia must understand this -- I don't believe liberty is America's gift to the world. I believe it is God's gift to humanity.
-- George Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 10, 2003
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And there's no doubt in my mind, when the United States acts abroad and home, we do so based upon values -- particularly the value that we hold dear to our hearts, and that is, everybody ought to be free. I want to repeat what I said during my State of the Union to you. Liberty is not America's gift to the world. What we believe strongly, and what we hold dear, is liberty is God's gift to mankind. And we hold that value precious. And we believe it is true.
-- George Bush, White Sulphur Springs, West Virginia, Feb. 9, 2003
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This great, powerful nation is motivated not by power for power's sake, but because of our values. If everybody matters, if every life counts, then we should hope everybody has the great God's gift of freedom.
-- George Bush, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Jan. 29, 2003
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Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
Al Franken |
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