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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Computer Org
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 Posted - 02/27/2003 : 09:15:47 [Permalink]
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I know that the advertisment sounds silly but the well-reputed nutritionist from the 1950's (when there was a LOT of nuclear-weapon testing), Adele Davis, promoteted Potassium Iodide in the same manner as the CyberAdvert.
There is a huge amount of radioactive waste around. You don't need a "dirty bomb"----a dump truck will do.
(In fact, the "dirty bomb" makes a big BOOM which pretty well gives away that someone has done something. Several dump-truck loads of radioactive material quietly dumped somewhere will sit there and radiate until someone notices it with some fairly uncommon equipment-----Do you have a geiger-counter? I don't.)
Still, I don't plan on stocking up. 
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tw101356
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/27/2003 : 10:36:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Computer Org
I know that the advertisment sounds silly but the well-reputed nutritionist from the 1950's (when there was a LOT of nuclear-weapon testing), Adele Davis, promoteted Potassium Iodide in the same manner as the CyberAdvert.
There is a huge amount of radioactive waste around. You don't need a "dirty bomb"----a dump truck will do.
(In fact, the "dirty bomb" makes a big BOOM which pretty well gives away that someone has done something. Several dump-truck loads of radioactive material quietly dumped somewhere will sit there and radiate until someone notices it with some fairly uncommon equipment-----Do you have a geiger-counter? I don't.)
Still, I don't plan on stocking up.
Potassium iodide pills work by providing your thyroid with all the
iodine it needs, thus preventing it from taking up any radioactive
iodine you may encounter. Can be useful if a nuke plant leaks as it's
one of the more common leakage isotopes and the one most likely to
affect you at low doses because it accumulates in your thyroid.
It won't protect you from anything else.
If you wanna work on your paranoia, read this month's Smithsonian
magazine's article on 'rad hunters' in the former Soviet Union.
http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues03/mar03/radiation.html
It's not nukes, but radioactive lighthouse power generators and Xray
machines etc. that are the potential source for radiation.
Cesium-137 (I think it's 137) powder is nasty stuff and easy to
spread around. Suddenly a bunch of people come down with radiation
burns and sickness for no apparent reason. If you're lucky,
someone gets contaminated and sets off detectors at the nuke plant
where they work or fogs film badges at the xray lab and you get
earlier detection.
Ugh.
Henry
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Jelly Fish
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Posted - 02/27/2003 : 12:21:18 [Permalink]
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TW101356 said......"Potassium iodide pills work by providing your thyroid with all the iodine it needs, thus preventing it from taking up any radioactive iodine you may encounter"
woooohhhhhh....we've got some real clever dudes on this site aint we?
I hope you lot dont mind if I'm not so clever?
But I am a SKEPTIC, and I sting and float real nice.
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Stargirl
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/27/2003 : 14:50:50 [Permalink]
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Anybody else see the PBS NOVA episode on dirty bombs?
They talked about the Cesium-137 problem in Russia. Apparently the stuff is lying around all over the place. The problem with a dirty bomb isn't so much the number of casualties, which would mostly show up only in the long-term health of victims. The problem is in cleaning up the contamination. Just how much would we be willing to spend on the cleanup. Or would it be easier and cheaper to just abandon the contaminated area. Would we be willing to abandon New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, or London?
The show also said that a BIG BOOM isn't necessary to achieve widespread contamination. A little pop in the right place is all that is necessary. They gave as an example a small firecracker sized detonation in a subway tunnel. The movement of the trains and the subways ventilation system will spread the Cesium-137 around a city quite nicely. Um, that didn't come out quite right but I hope you know what I mean.
Anyway it was a very interesting episode.
Edited for spelling.
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
392 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2003 : 08:44:28 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Jelly Fish
TW101356 said......"Potassium iodide pills work by providing your thyroid with all the iodine it needs, thus preventing it from taking up any radioactive iodine you may encounter"
woooohhhhhh....we've got some real clever dudes on this site aint we?
I hope you lot dont mind if I'm not so clever?
But I am a SKEPTIC, and I sting and float real nice.
Jelly
Sorry, Herr Fish, but I think that tw101356 is exactly right. On the other hand, the Potassium Iodide tabs in Kil's go for $50 for 200. Adele Davis wrote that you could get adequate protection for a week just by touching the tip of the glass-rod from a bottle of medical/anticeptic iodine to a teaspoon of milk or juice. Cost: Approx. $0.00 per week. 
When you wrote, Stargirl "The show also said that a BIG BOOM isn't necessary to achieve widespread contamination. A little pop in the right place is all that is necessary." I think that it would be much more effective to mix some into asphalt and pave some miles of road with a mildly radioactive pavement. The exposure time would be lengthy (back and forth; back and forth) and without the BOOM or POP the stuff might lay there for years, slowly poisoning everyone who drove over it. No one seems to have really thought through the wild things that can be done. 
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/04/2003 : 09:57:38 [Permalink]
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I think that it would be much more effective to mix some into asphalt and pave some miles of road with a mildly radioactive pavement. The exposure time would be lengthy (back and forth; back and forth) and without the BOOM or POP the stuff might lay there for years, slowly poisoning everyone who drove over it. No one seems to have really thought through the wild things that can be done.
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Ooooo. Such a nasty, little mind you have! You are an inspiration to us all!  
And you bring up the point that perhaps this or something like it might have already been done, and not recently, either. Who would know? People would just get sick and die. Ugly.
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/04/2003 : 11:58:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy:
quote:
Originally posted by Computer Org:
I think that it would be much more effective to mix some into asphalt and pave some miles of road with a mildly radioactive pavement. The exposure time would be lengthy (back and forth; back and forth) and without the BOOM or POP the stuff might lay there for years, slowly poisoning everyone who drove over it. No one seems to have really thought through the wild things that can be done.
Ooooo. Such a nasty, little mind you have! You are an inspiration to us all!
And you bring up the point that perhaps this or something like it might have already been done, and not recently, either. Who would know? People would just get sick and die. Ugly.
Ah, well. I used to be a professional in this kind of stuff (my Army job at one point).
As ugly as this one is, I got the idea after thinking about the one I posted a little earlier:quote:
I know that the advertisment sounds silly but the well-reputed nutritionist from the 1950's (when there was a LOT of nuclear-weapon testing), Adele Davis, promoted Potassium Iodide in the same manner as the CyberAdvertisment.
There is a huge amount of radioactive waste around. You don't need a "dirty bomb"----a dump truck will do.
(In fact, the "dirty bomb" makes a big BOOM which pretty well gives away that someone has done something. Several dump-truck loads of radioactive material quietly dumped somewhere will sit there and radiate until someone notices it with some fairly uncommon equipment-----Do you have a geiger-counter? I don't.)
Still, I don't plan on stocking up.
The asphalt trick would be astoundingly effective but very hard to implement. (Buying an asphalt operation; getting road-paving contracts; etc.)
On the other hand: once you had some radioactive waste, getting some trucks and spreading the stuff here and there would (it seems to me) be very easy---with almost no chance of getting caught.
(The counter would be almost as easy: just report any and all symptoms and let a computer look for unsavory patterns.)
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2003 : 14:35:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Computer Org
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Originally posted by filthy:
quote:
Originally posted by Computer Org:
I think that it would be much more effective to mix some into asphalt and pave some miles of road with a mildly radioactive pavement. The exposure time would be lengthy (back and forth; back and forth) and without the BOOM or POP the stuff might lay there for years, slowly poisoning everyone who drove over it. No one seems to have really thought through the wild things that can be done.
Ooooo. Such a nasty, little mind you have! You are an inspiration to us all!
And you bring up the point that perhaps this or something like it might have already been done, and not recently, either. Who would know? People would just get sick and die. Ugly.
Ah, well. I used to be a professional in this kind of stuff (my Army job at one point).
As ugly as this one is, I got the idea after thinking about the one I posted a little earlier:quote:
I know that the advertisment sounds silly but the well-reputed nutritionist from the 1950's (when there was a LOT of nuclear-weapon testing), Adele Davis, promoted Potassium Iodide in the same manner as the CyberAdvertisment.
There is a huge amount of radioactive waste around. You don't need a "dirty bomb"----a dump truck will do.
(In fact, the "dirty bomb" makes a big BOOM which pretty well gives away that someone has done something. Several dump-truck loads of radioactive material quietly dumped somewhere will sit there and radiate until someone notices it with some fairly uncommon equipment-----Do you have a geiger-counter? I don't.)
Still, I don't plan on stocking up.
The asphalt trick would be astoundingly effective but very hard to implement. (Buying an asphalt operation; getting road-paving contracts; etc.)
On the other hand: once you had some radioactive waste, getting some trucks and spreading the stuff here and there would (it seems to me) be very easy---with almost no chance of getting caught.
(The counter would be almost as easy: just report any and all symptoms and let a computer look for unsavory patterns.)
So who needs asphalt? During winter in northern states, it would be rediculously easy to buy a salt spreader and sprinkle the stuff on the road. Don't want to be noticed? Put municipality or state markings on the truck. No one ever notices the salt spreader trucks.
Better yet, dope $1 bills in it and start paying for stuff with them.
Gets around faster.
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Stargirl
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2003 : 18:39:42 [Permalink]
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Computer Org wrote
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I think that it would be much more effective to mix some into asphalt and pave some miles of road with a mildly radioactive pavement. The exposure time would be lengthy (back and forth; back and forth) and without the BOOM or POP the stuff might lay there for years, slowly poisoning everyone who drove over it. No one seems to have really thought through the wild things that can be done
 Now that you mention it I seem to remember a piece on one of the newsmagazine shows, 60 Minutes or 20/20 maybe, about radioactively contaminated concrete. It's been a few years so I don't remember much about it. But as I recall the piece highlighted a town, I think somewhere in the southwest where radioactively contaminated material was use in the concrete for sidewalks and other building material. Unfortunately doing a quick WEB search I couldn't find anything about the town. However, I did find this link about the DOE and NRC wanting to release radioactively contaminated material to be used in recycling.
http://www.mojones.com/magazine/JA02/radioactive_recycling.html
And this one
http://www.northstar.sierraclub.org/NUKE_%20Scrap_Metal.htm
And this one
http://www.nirs.org/radrecycle/MONITORJan2000RadRecycling.htm
It looks like it's not just the terrorists we have to worry about when it comes to guarding against long term exposure to radiation.
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gezzam
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Australia
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Posted - 03/04/2003 : 21:33:13 [Permalink]
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tw101356
Skeptic Friend
USA
333 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2003 : 10:54:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Stargirl
Now that you mention it I seem to remember a piece on one of the newsmagazine shows, 60 Minutes or 20/20 maybe, about radioactively contaminated concrete. It?s been a few years so I don?t remember much about it. But as I recall the piece highlighted a town, I think somewhere in the southwest where radioactively contaminated material was use in the concrete for sidewalks and other building material. Unfortunately doing a quick WEB search I couldn?t find anything about the town.
I googled for radioactive and sidewalk and found some PDFs about
orphan radioactives, mainly radium from the first half of the
century, ending up in sidewalks and roads AND GOLD JEWELRY in the
60s. A steel plant melted down a source in 1983 and contaminated
itself. Since then most scrap plants have detectors to check the
incoming scrap metal.
Sneaky contamination might be detected quicker than you think.
Wouldn't work near a nuke plant as they have more detectors than
you can shake a stick at. Cars get checked automatically at the
gate. On the other hand, cesium 137 in a salting rig, which
are operated by landscaping and construction companies in my
neck of the urban woods, would be simple and nasty. There's an
infinite number of ways to disperse a radioactive powder.
Despite the above, i still think the biggest threat to my life
is a drunk driver.
Henry
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/05/2003 : 11:38:05 [Permalink]
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Actually, it wouldn't be all that hard to get it down in asphault. All you have to do is get a job at the asphault plant and watch it go out in 10 yard dump trucks all day long, spreading it all over the state.
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/07/2003 : 07:40:33 [Permalink]
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Sorry to have started this horrendous (although interesting) hijack, Kil. But I stand by my earlier comment:quote:
"I know that the advertisment sounds silly but the well-reputed nutritionist from the 1950's (when there was a LOT of nuclear-weapon testing), Adele Davis, promoted Potassium Iodide in the same manner as the CyberAdvertisment."
(And, BTW, not at the advertised cost of $50 for 200 tabs but at approx. $0.0003 for a week's protection.  )
Just yesterday I was eating a handful of grape-tomatoes that I buy for the Cavie. I was salting one with iodized salt (--Adele advocated outlawing all un-iodized salt!--) when I decided to add a tiny droplet of tincture-of-iodine as Adele suggested. I've been doing that for decades and am only on my 2nd bottle. Adele's purpose was not for protection against radioactive iodine but for protection against goiter. It seems to have worked.
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