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riptor
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Germany
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 Posted - 03/23/2003 : 04:17:34
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Some dates from the 3rd Gulf War so far:
March, 20th: An American helicopter crashes, 12 dead
March, 21st: Two British helicopters collide, 7 dead
March, 22nd: British airplane missing. British military confirms that it likely has been shot by an american Patriot rocket. No official dead toll yet.
Of the 26 casualities that happened yet, 21 have been killed in accidents and one by an (ex-)american soldier.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 03/23/2003 : 04:48:18 [Permalink]
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It gets worse. This morning I read that some malcontent rolled grenades into three, occcupied tents, our's, not theirs. Lots of gore, but no one killed.
Has fragging begun, now?
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Tim
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USA
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Posted - 03/23/2003 : 04:56:20 [Permalink]
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| If I'm not mistaken, one of the worst injured just passed on. The motivation eludes me. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/23/2003 : 08:05:49 [Permalink]
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If I'm not mistaken, one of the worst injured just passed on. The motivation eludes me.
I just picked up on that. Of the other 12, 3 are in rough shape.
It seems that the guy is a Muslim, and religion rears it's foul head yet again.
Disgusting. I only hope that it's all over soonest, and our guys, as well as the British and Ozzies, get home safely.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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gezzam
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Australia
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Posted - 03/23/2003 : 18:05:40 [Permalink]
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Disgusting. I only hope that it's all over soonest, and our guys, as well as the British and Ozzies, get home safely.
Here, here.....I just hope this madness is over soon too!!!!! |
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riptor
Skeptic Friend
Germany
70 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2003 : 04:03:19 [Permalink]
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Now confirmed: British Tornado fighter shot by a patriot battery.
Surviving ITN-reporter claims that the allied forces opened fires against them.
Al-Jazeera shows video footage of captured and killed soldiers, Rummsfeld calls showing this footage a clear break of the geneve convention, although videos of captured Iraqis seem to be okay.
23. 3.: Helicopter crash in Afghanisthan.
Iraq claims two Apaches shot by Iraqi farmers. |
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 03/24/2003 : 16:51:35 [Permalink]
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| I'm really getting sick of that smirking Rumsfeld, so proud of his little war isn't he!!!!! |
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Tim
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USA
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 00:01:49 [Permalink]
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I'm really getting sick of that smirking Rumsfeld, so proud of his little war isn't he!!!!!
Yeah, but he's not the only one.
Plus, one of my favorite lows was when one of the Brittish commanders tried to explain how these events of friendly fire between allies brings the coallition partners closer together. I can hear old GW now; "Hey, padnuh! Y'all wasted ma' boys. Damn, that's right nice o' y'all!" Is there no sanity?
By the way, Gez, did y'all's Prime Minister get a lot of flack when he decided to send over the support troops? I'm just trying to get on handle on the mood of the folks on the other side of the world. |
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gezzam
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Australia
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Posted - 03/25/2003 : 17:17:01 [Permalink]
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By the way, Gez, did y'all's Prime Minister get a lot of flack when he decided to send over the support troops? I'm just trying to get on handle on the mood of the folks on the other side of the world.
Yeah, he copped a fair bit of opposition from the public and the three other political parties over here, however he did a wonderful job of keeping his own party behind him. Not one word of dissent. The opposition (Labour Party) is in disarray, trying to change its policies to suit the mood of the masses and it just makes them look stupid.
We had about 200,000 protesters in Melbourne and Sydney (less in the smaller capitals). But recently, as I think happens, public opinion has begun to swing behind him....around 50/50 i think.
All in all, it seems to be following the trends in Mother England (I hate that term), mass opposition before the first shot but the public is getting behind the troops now....
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NottyImp
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/26/2003 : 02:58:53 [Permalink]
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| I have a problem with the "Now the war's started let's get behind the boys" attitude. If it's wrong before it kicks off, it's doubly wrong after. Perhaps if the troops knew that public opinion was still against them, they might have more perspective on exactly why they're fighting. |
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/27/2003 : 02:47:16 [Permalink]
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I've been following the story of the guy who tossed the grenades into the tent in Kuwait. Everyone seems to be searching for motive.
1) He was treated badly because he's Muslim.
Bzzzt. That one doesn't fly with me. I retired less that two years ago, and lemme tell you, there are plenty of Muslims in the military. More likely explanation (IMO): He was the type that went around shoving his conversion in everyone's face. In other words, an asshole. On this point he's correct, assholes aren't treated very nicely in the military.
2) He was treated badly because he's black.
This one is almost too laughable to address. There are blacks in every service, in every career field, from basic recruit to general. Try again.
3) He was pissed because he couldn't make rank. Promotion in the different services varies. Basically you get promotion points for different things, and take written tests. On the tests, there isn't any block to fill out for race or gender. If you do well, you're promoted. But if you're a dumbass, that doesn't give you the right to take out the command staff.
I really don't know what this dude's problem was, but I haven't read anything that allows me to have one shred of sympathy for him. In the military, if you can't trust the person next to you, you're well and truly screwed.
And I also don't care what happens to him. Leavenworth, the needle, or a .38 double tap, it really makes no difference.
Yes this is a rant. I spent 20 years in uniform, my husband 21. Matter of fact, Ed is working for a civilian contractor right now...in Qatar. That another military member would do this absolutely sickens me. |
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riptor
Skeptic Friend
Germany
70 Posts |
Posted - 03/27/2003 : 03:17:26 [Permalink]
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BTW: Yesterday, another one of the injured in that greande attack died, CNN anounced.
His wife called him a "hero" in an interview. Now, could someone explain the usage of the word "hero" in english language?
Someone who is murdered by his comrade's grenade in some tent in Kuwait is a hero? |
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/27/2003 : 04:42:33 [Permalink]
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I have a problem with the "Now the war's started let's get behind the boys" attitude. If it's wrong before it kicks off, it's doubly wrong after.
I understand the sentiment, but I can't help thinking that from a political point of view for the US, Brittain and the rest, actually puuling out before the objective of overthrowing Hussein is seen through could be very costly in itself.
Now, that does not mean that I am one of these xenophobes that think war protestors are unpatriotic or even treasonous. To the contrary, the voices of all citizens should be heard and respected. It is the Constitunional encroachments of this US administration that I find unpatriotic. I am, of course, referring to Bush's test of a belief in God for appointment to federal benches, the Patriot Act, and the executive order to ignore the Presidential Records Act and the Freedom of Information Act.
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That another military member would do this absolutely sickens me.
That anybody could do this sickens me! This is nothing more than murder, and I agree, Lisa, that he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
And, thanks, Gez. That's pretty much what I thought, but we get very little news from Australia.
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NottyImp
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/27/2003 : 05:21:27 [Permalink]
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1) He was treated badly because he's Muslim.
Bzzzt. That one doesn't fly with me. I retired less that two years ago, and lemme tell you, there are plenty of Muslims in the military. More likely explanation (IMO): (Lisa)
So what? There are plenty of Black and Asian officers in the UK Metropolitan police, but its Commander still describes it as "institutionally racist".
I'm a member of an on-line gaming club that has dozens of current and retired US servicemen as members. I can point you to an m/b where the level of racism and anti-muslim feeling is frankly sickening. |
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Valiant Dancer
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USA
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Posted - 03/27/2003 : 08:11:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by riptor
BTW: Yesterday, another one of the injured in that greande attack died, CNN anounced.
His wife called him a "hero" in an interview. Now, could someone explain the usage of the word "hero" in english language?
Someone who is murdered by his comrade's grenade in some tent in Kuwait is a hero?
Seems to be the ubiquitious term used for all victims of horrendous violence used by this President. The poor schmucks in the Twin Towers were called "heroes" by the media, too.
Quite frankly, the cheapening of this term is bullshit.
A hero is someone who distiguishes themselves though their actions. A victim just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The people in the Twin Towers who were killed trying to escape are victims.
The emergency crews and police who died trying to save even more people are heroes.
The members of the 101st Airbourne who were killed and injured by the senseless attack by Akbar are victims. They may be heroes for other actions, but this particular attack was while they were asleep.
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riptor
Skeptic Friend
Germany
70 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2003 : 05:01:48 [Permalink]
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Woo-Hoo!
Now they're building up a north fron that actually is about a hundred kilometres south of the northern iraqi border. The one great thing about this is, that they now have Mosul in their back.
And guess what? Mosul does have the second-biggest military base in Iraq.
To put it straight: There is a north front.
North of this north front is the enemy.
The north front is heading southwards.
In Germany, we'd call a unit in such a situation "gun food". |
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