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walt fristoe
SFN Regular
USA
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 Posted - 04/02/2003 : 11:21:08
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I found this article over at The Daily Irritant, thought it might generate some interesting discussion.
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"If God chose George Bus of all the people in the world, how good could God be?"
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LordofEntropy
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 04/02/2003 : 13:04:41 [Permalink]
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I think this is generally accepted as Saddam's plan. The US and Britain will win a war of attrition, there is no doubt about that. Saddam's strategy(as in the first war) is try and ignite the Arab world against the west.
Fortunately even most of the Arab countries don't like Saddam very much either. But the longer and deadlier the war the more likely others my finally decide that supporting Saddam is better than allowing the US to remove him.
I suspect that the other countries understand the 'Pax Americana' I don't wish to call attention to themselves. Though if I were the leader(s) of Sudan, Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, or Lybia, I wouldn't count on anything stopping the US from knocking on the door in the next few years. Especially once we get our permanent bases built in Iraq.
The other part is that Saddam knows that Western armies, the US in particular, are loathe to endure high casualities. By prolonging the battle he hopes to apply political pressure at home. This is a mistake because Bush doesn't care what the American people think, he only cares about what he thinks. We all know what Bush thinks.
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LordofEntropy
Skeptic Friend
USA
85 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2003 : 13:07:19 [Permalink]
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As a sidenote, I've read several articles that include conversations with Iraqis and other Arabs. Seems that alot of them feel that Saddam should go, they just don't want the US to do it. Alot of mistrust about the US intentions and motives.
Pretty bad when people are saying, "This man has to go, but please don't let the US do it." |
Entropy just isn't what it used to be.
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/02/2003 : 13:52:13 [Permalink]
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What would you say the odds of other countries especially Syria and Iran of jumping in on the war? Especially since they have already received some U.S. tough talk and Iran knows that they are a member of the axis of evil. Would they consider possibly taking a giant risk and unleashing their own pre-emptive strike on the U.S. even though it would mean helping out Saddam? Syria has already been accused of shipping arms and military equipment to Iraq and rumors have already started that Saddam has hidden some WMD's in Syria plsu Syria and Saddam have relatively better relations. The situation is a little different for Iran who hates Iraq, but they might still be looking for pay backs for the whole "Iron Sheik" thing :>
http://www.extremegamer.ca/low/low1_roster/ironsheik.htm
I know the idea seems far fetched, but what do others think of them deciding to strike a decisive blow on America now as one force before being picked off one at a time? |
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LordofEntropy
Skeptic Friend
USA
85 Posts |
Posted - 04/02/2003 : 14:37:46 [Permalink]
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| It is entirely possible, and that is what Saddam is hoping for. Should be interesting to see what the threshold is on both sides before war pops up in several regions. |
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 04/02/2003 : 15:26:38 [Permalink]
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Iran wants a nuke first, then it will make some noise. A lot of noise. That business about permanent bases in Iraq is interesting. We conquered Germany and Japan and now, years later, we still have troops in the region. Bush and friends claim up to 2 years there. I call that utter crap. We'll be there till they kick us out or it becomes so painfull to remain we pull out.
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/03/2003 : 07:46:51 [Permalink]
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| I would say that even without nukes Iran would be a much more formiddable foe than Iraq. Their soldiers seem a little more fanatical (irrational?) and they employ the human wave attacks similar to what the Chinese did in the Korean war. |
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