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Orpheus
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 Posted - 07/18/2001 : 10:23:49
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
 Posted - 07/18/2001 : 12:10:42 [Permalink]
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Bisexual women are my favorite people.
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/18/2001 : 12:23:15 [Permalink]
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I have detected a recent and disturbing trend in popular culture and discourse: It seems that while many people have accepted that sexual orientations other than heterosexuality may just be legitimate (unless of course such sexual minorities display open public affection), they have settled comfortably for categorising everybody into either straight or gay. Bisexuality seems not to be an option..if it is recognised, it is usually seen as an indecisive category, whose members will eventually come around to a decision.
I submit that this problem is symptomatic of society's love of categories. The well known psychological insight that sexual orientation falls along a continuum seems to frighten people, as this upsets comfortable categories, bisexuality, perhaps, frighten for the same reason: Just after having accepted that there are after all 2 kinds of people: gay and straight, along comes people who claim not to care about the gender of their partners!
If my fellow skeptics notice the somewhat angry, sarcastic tone of this posting, I assure you it is entirely intentional!
Find your own damned answers!
At the risk of stating the obvious, for non-critical thinkers, the use of convenient categories often simplifies issues that are otherwise frighteningly intractable and complex. The non-critical thinker seeks to make sense of a world that is often beyond his/her understanding. This may be especially true of sexuality, where so much of a person's identity and status are connected to how they identify themselves sexually.
Critical thinking often involves the acceptance of ambiguity and sometimes requires the courage to say "we just don't know". This offends the non-critical thinker because it undermines their desperate efforts to achieve certaintly where none exists.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/18/2001 : 12:56:12 [Permalink]
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If my fellow skeptics notice the somewhat angry, sarcastic tone of this posting, I assure you it is entirely intentional!
I did not see that you were being sarcastic but if you'd like to hear about how one doctor thought I belonged in a mental institution, I'll be happy to tell you. 
Ah! What was your question?
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/18/2001 : 13:21:09 [Permalink]
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I did not see that you were being sarcastic but if you'd like to hear about how one doctor thought I belonged in a mental institution, I'll be happy to tell you.
So have you ever had anyone try to "cure" you? What maroons...
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
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Posted - 07/18/2001 : 17:15:10 [Permalink]
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I have detected a recent and disturbing trend in popular culture and discourse: It seems that while many people have accepted that sexual orientations other than heterosexuality may just be legitimate (unless of course such sexual minorities display open public affection), they have settled comfortably for categorising everybody into either straight or gay. Bisexuality seems not to be an option..if it is recognised, it is usually seen as an indecisive category, whose members will eventually come around to a decision.
I personally had not noticed such a trend. I have found that they either try to put everything that is not straight in one hat and give it a label like alternate sexually. The other trend I noticed is that people because of politcal correctness or something list every single possible sexual orientation they mean. The former results in overgenarilazation the later in incredible long names for organizations and arkward senctences.
A reason why bisexually is not mentioned as often may be that people tend to think in form of relationships. There is talk of homosexual marriage and things like that. Stable bisexual relationships are rather rare in comparison (because they require more then 2 participants otherwise you would just have a bisexual living in a homo or heterosexual relationship).
Another thing could the fear of many heteros of that they might something other then 100% strait themselves. They 'know' they are not homo because they have enjoyed heterosexual relationships in the past. Acaknowledging the existence of bisexuality might just hit a bit to close to home.
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Snake
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USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/18/2001 : 18:51:18 [Permalink]
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A reason why bisexually is not mentioned as often may be that people tend to think in form of relationships. There is talk of homosexual marriage and things like that. Stable bisexual relationships are rather rare in comparison (because they require more then 2 participants otherwise you would just have a bisexual living in a homo or heterosexual relationship).
From the time I was very young, long before I know what hetero or homosexual was, I never understood why people had to be put in catagories(of any kind). Possibly because of what some would consider an unusual situation, (which only Kil can explain) I see things differently. But why can't people...PEOPLE, just be people. Why does it matter that one is male and one female. If you like someone....just be with them.
But as a side note and not to sound, heh, he, hypocritical. I hate women and would never think of sleeping with one. YUK!
Of all the guys I've ever asked, everyone of them said they would never be with a 2nd guy (and 1 girl). They were all heterosexual (as far as I know),  sure acted like it. And as much as it would have been nice(for me), they didn't want a 3some. Why?
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Orpheus
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/19/2001 : 10:51:41 [Permalink]
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[quote] A reason why bisexually is not mentioned as often may be that people tend to think in form of relationships. There is talk of homosexual marriage and things like that. Stable bisexual relationships are rather rare in comparison (because they require more then 2 participants otherwise you would just have a bisexual living in a homo or heterosexual relationship)
I'm not too sure what you mean by this? Bisexuality often entails not viewing gender as an important category when deciding on the appeal of a potential partner...it is exactly this gender-subversion which highlights the errors of the category system of sexual orientation. If a person has sex with opposite-sex partners, has sexual fantasies about both sexes, and seeks out emotional intimacy with same-sex partners, what is the person's sexual orientation?
The cracks in the comfortable categories are starting to show...
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Snake
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USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2001 : 02:15:32 [Permalink]
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If a person has sex with opposite-sex partners, has sexual fantasies about both sexes, and seeks out emotional intimacy with same-sex partners, what is the person's sexual orientation?
1st of all I'd like to know why it is important to know that? But 2nd, only men are capable of emotional intimacy.
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/20/2001 : 02:42:27 [Permalink]
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...But 2nd, only men are capable of emotional intimacy.
*Definitely* have to disagree with that. My ex-wife is the only woman I've known incapable of emotional intimacy, and she had me fooled for a long time.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 07/20/2001 : 12:44:52 [Permalink]
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only men are capable of emotional intimacy.
Alright, I'm beginning to think you're saying these things on purpose, trying to get a rise out of the women who frequent here! 
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Kristin
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 07/20/2001 : 12:57:20 [Permalink]
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only men are capable of emotional intimacy.
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>Alright, I'm beginning to think you're >saying these things on purpose, trying to >get a rise out of the women who frequent >here!
Thought about biting... but what's the point? I don't have a problem with intimacy of any type, myself
Although targeting +50% of the world's population.. generally.. is a bad idea. Go run into a Muslim mosque in Afghanistan and start yelling 'Allah is dead' instead :>
Oh, to keep it on topic.. if I don't have to sleep with em, I don't care who they want to sleep with as long as they 1) don't hurt anyone 2) don't kill any chickens (apparantly an RC priest made some statement regarding bestiality and man's dominion over the animals? Ew.) People deserve to be happy 
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Kristin
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 07/20/2001 : 12:57:31 [Permalink]
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only men are capable of emotional intimacy.
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>Alright, I'm beginning to think you're >saying these things on purpose, trying to >get a rise out of the women who frequent >here!
Thought about biting... but what's the point? I don't have a problem with intimacy of any type, myself
Although targeting +50% of the world's population.. generally.. is a bad idea. Go run into a Muslim mosque in Afghanistan and start yelling 'Allah is dead' instead :>
Oh, to keep it on topic.. if I don't have to sleep with em, I don't care who they want to sleep with as long as they 1) don't hurt anyone 2) don't kill any chickens (apparantly an RC priest made some statement regarding bestiality and man's dominion over the animals? Ew.) People deserve to be happy
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Deborah
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/21/2001 : 02:41:06 [Permalink]
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I hate women and would never think of sleeping with one. YUK!
Snake! How narrow-minded of you! That's what I used to think of asparagus until I tried it roasted instead of steamed. See what a little wine and hunger can do to a person! Never say never!
On a serious note, I agree that people should be able to be with whomever they want without judgement. The world can benefit from a little more love, in any form.
I think as a society, the trend is that we are all becoming a little more focused on our personal desires. This can be liberating, but it also comes with a price. We are already seeing the impact of divorce in heterosexual relationships. Single parent homes are at an all time high. I've been reading some articles about the correlation between lack of affection/attention given to a child and the increase of violent tendencies in the child. I get a little concerned that as our family unit continues to evolve that violence will continue to be an issue. Of course, sex doesn't have to be about family or children so take what I say in the right context ; )
When I think about sexuality, I don't think in terms of right or wrong, I think in terms of healthy. If I want to live with a man and a woman and raise a child with them it shouldn't matter as long as the long-term effect is positive on everyone involved/impacted. Or if a child is not involved and stability is not something that is important to anyone, then well...make love not war!
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Snake
SFN Addict
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2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2001 : 16:03:28 [Permalink]
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...But 2nd, only men are capable of emotional intimacy.
*Definitely* have to disagree with that. My ex-wife is the only woman I've known incapable of emotional intimacy, and she had me fooled for a long time.
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Snake
SFN Addict
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2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/21/2001 : 16:06:43 [Permalink]
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only men are capable of emotional intimacy.
Alright, I'm beginning to think you're saying these things on purpose, trying to get a rise out of the women who frequent here!
Nope, not joking, that's been my expierence. Would you like me to explain further? |
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