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@tomic
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 Posted - 06/18/2003 : 19:06:43
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..yet again.
Check out the following link with some choice quotations from the man who may just go down in history as the an expert at putting his foot in his mouth:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030618/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_military_17
I'm not sure which is the saddest part. His denial of Iraqi resistance or his assetion indicating this degree of violence in American cities is OK. If you take into account that violence in the US is the highest of any inustrial nation you have to wonder what point he's trying to make.
If you look at it one way it's not so bad. if you look at it another you might think "Oh shit! America has as much violence as bagdad."
Take your pick. I already did.
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gezzam
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Posted - 06/18/2003 : 20:46:37 [Permalink]
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| Rummy is great....I hove his zany sense of humour... |
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NottyImp
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/19/2003 : 06:16:59 [Permalink]
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Rumsfeld described it as "small elements" of 10 to 20 people, not large military formations or networks of attackers.
So that would be, like, terorists would it? Wasn't there meant to be less of that now?
And 50 Us troops dead compared to 138 in the actual war. How long before that figure of 138 is surpassed, I wonder? |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 06/19/2003 : 07:05:34 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by NottyImp
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Rumsfeld described it as "small elements" of 10 to 20 people, not large military formations or networks of attackers.
So that would be, like, terorists would it? Wasn't there meant to be less of that now?
And 50 Us troops dead compared to 138 in the actual war. How long before that figure of 138 is surpassed, I wonder?
My bet is not long. Anyone remember Vietnam? Same play, diferent terrain.
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Hey, but at least we disarmed Iraq from it's weapons of mass destruction..... oh, yeah, that's right, there were no weapons of mass destruction.
At least the war was based on good intell....oh, yeah, that's right, Nigerian nuclear document.
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/19/2003 : 07:15:37 [Permalink]
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Still, Rumsfeld added, "It tends not to be, at this stage, random killings. ... What you're seeing instead is what we believe is purposeful attacks against coalition forces, as opposed to simply crime and that type of thing."
What a freaking idiot. A big duh for this one. How many criminials do you know of in any city in the world that would target a group of fully armed soldiers with fully automatic weapons and flack jackets? As he downplays the resistance to American occupation the violence seems to be increasing IMO. For some reason I don't think this either wasn't part of their original pie in the sky plan of happy liberation and democracy in Iraq or they just don't give a damn. |
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gezzam
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Australia
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Posted - 06/19/2003 : 08:31:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by jmcginn
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Still, Rumsfeld added, "It tends not to be, at this stage, random killings. ... What you're seeing instead is what we believe is purposeful attacks against coalition forces, as opposed to simply crime and that type of thing."
What a freaking idiot. A big duh for this one. How many criminials do you know of in any city in the world that would target a group of fully armed soldiers with fully automatic weapons and flack jackets? As he downplays the resistance to American occupation the violence seems to be increasing IMO. For some reason I don't think this either wasn't part of their original pie in the sky plan of happy liberation and democracy in Iraq or they just don't give a damn.
Yeah, and while he and the rest of the Administration are so cool about it, American soldiers are getting picked off one by one....
There looks to be a parliamentary enquiry about WMD here in Oz....The Prime Minister said "The weapons inspectors need more time"
Has a familiar Hans Blix kind of ring to it.....
Yes, Saddam is gone...great...still, our countries invaded another nation based on lies at worst, or bad intelligence at best....
Makes me sick to the stomach.... |
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Julie_Bris
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Australia
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Posted - 07/17/2003 : 00:15:05 [Permalink]
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"Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein," Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/
From the National Security Archive at George Washington University declassified documents showing that in 1983 despite his regime's invasion of their neighbour, use of chemical weapons, human rights abuses and nuclear aspirations that would "probably" include "an eventual nuclear weapon capability," the US sent a special envoy Donald Rumsfeld to meet with Saddam Hussein to renew diplomatic links.
http://www.stunned.org/weblog/archives/000504.html
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Tim
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Posted - 07/17/2003 : 02:13:58 [Permalink]
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The original link now appears to be dead. So, my question about the quote by NottyImp that I'm about to post may be out of context. If so, I apologize.
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So that would be, like, terorists would it?
Has someone, (like Rummy or Dubya), actually called the resistance in Iraq terrorism? If so, how can it be terrorism? They are attacking only military troops, as far as I know. Plus, those troops under attack are part of an occupying force in a soveriegn nation. Where is the terrorism? |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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NottyImp
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/17/2003 : 02:56:18 [Permalink]
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Has someone, (like Rummy or Dubya), actually called the resistance in Iraq terrorism? If so, how can it be terrorism? They are attacking only military troops, as far as I know. Plus, those troops under attack are part of an occupying force in a soveriegn nation. Where is the terrorism?
As far as I know, no they haven't been described as terrorists. I think the term being used is "Saddam Loyalists" in the British press, but how they actually know that to be the case, I have no idea. As far as I can see, they're just as likely to be just plain Iraqi Nationalists, or even a group(s) in favour of a non-secular Islamist government.
In my original post, I was just trying to make the sarcastic point that we don't seem to be in a world with less terrorism after the Iraqi war. I could probably have made it much better by pointing to clear instances of terrorism in other countries, however. |
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jmcginn
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/17/2003 : 07:22:43 [Permalink]
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As far as I know, no they haven't been described as terrorists. I think the term being used is "Saddam Loyalists" in the British press, but how they actually know that to be the case, I have no idea. As far as I can see, they're just as likely to be just plain Iraqi Nationalists, or even a group(s) in favour of a non-secular Islamist government.
Or even more likely a mixture of all 3. |
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