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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
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 Posted - 06/22/2003 : 15:52:22
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Hi Folks, I haven't been here in a while, but I thought you should know about this;
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=16184
I would write to them myself, but I'm not sure how they feel about us Canucks at the moment...
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2003 : 16:39:51 [Permalink]
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Bwahahahaha! Hovind! He's got to be truly the biggest ass in the Creationist herd, barring not even Sarfati (whose PhD is a real one).
http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/ Check it out. Lots o' giggles.
For yet more on this inbecilic turkey, go to Talk Origins. They've got a good page on him.
Great to see ya back, Rat! Don't be such a stranger.
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Darwin Storm
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 06/23/2003 : 19:37:32 [Permalink]
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| I was in the service for 4 years, and I meet more than my share of people who were just like the couple cited in the article. I always thought it was kinda of sad to know that these people's kids will be brainwashed with young earth creationism nonsense. |
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 06/23/2003 : 20:02:14 [Permalink]
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...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
No Sense of Obligation by Matt Young
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
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Phobos
New Member
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - 06/24/2003 : 15:00:28 [Permalink]
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“Evolution caused World War II,” he said.
*ouch* My eyes rolled too far back into my head on that one!
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We've had the offer for 12 years. I've had three challenges,” he said. “And they've all been real stupid.”
I certainly don't expect Mr. Hovind to part with his money given his ridiculous expectations & bias, but is that really the number of challanges he's had? We "evolutionists" can do better than that! |
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Avenel
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/24/2003 : 15:50:36 [Permalink]
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I certainly don't expect Mr. Hovind to part with his money given his ridiculous expectations & bias, but is that really the number of challanges he's had? We "evolutionists" can do better than that!
His challenge is simply ridiculous. I'm sure he's had more challenges than that, but when you examine the details of the challenge, it's obviously unwinnable, so it's a waste of time to try. See here or here or here for analysis of him and his challenge. |
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Jimmy_Reynolds
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USA
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NottyImp
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
143 Posts |
Posted - 06/26/2003 : 03:44:27 [Permalink]
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But he is nothing if not steadfast in his belief.
Well, that's OK then - as long as you keep lying consistently, you should be given some credibility for what you say.
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
392 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2003 : 06:32:59 [Permalink]
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Wow! From the article:quote:
To the Illinois native and founder of Creation Science Evangelism, evolution is as faith-based as Christianity and should be treated as such, not as science.
“It's a religion,” he said in an interview after a seminar session. And it's a religion being taught in public schools and paid for with tax dollars, while his religion is taboo inside classroom walls.
While I admit to believing that much of "science" is, in truth, little more than well-founded, well-thought-out, reasonable belief-systems which are promoted as dogma (--that is, just as are religious systems--), I never thought of evolutionary theory as one of these.
How can anyone think of evolution as religious dogma?
On the other hand, the notion that all came into instantaneous existence 6,000 years ago has to be one of the most nonsensical things that I've ever heard: Downright SILLY (--although I do not deny that it is possible----as are almost all things).
The article goes on with the comment:quote:
Hovind said evolution has seeped into the textbooks of America's schools because “atheists” have taken over state school boards and because textbook publishers care more about money than truth.
Now, this is just plain CRAZY; NUTSO; BONKERS. The existence of evolution is one of the very best evidences for the existence of a Devine Entity. Atheists? Bah! Au contrair!
(An aside: I have deliberately used the word "entity" rather than the usual "being" since "being", to me, implies time; whereas it is not at all clear that "God" is constrained by time as, for instance, are we.)
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“Evolution caused World War II,” [Hovind] said.
He said German leader Adolf Hitler believed he was destroying the weak through the Holocaust and perpetuating the strong through selective breeding, a clear example of evolution's mantra.
Aha! <sarcasm on> Now there's a novel, original thought. <sarcasm off> Why, for example, does Mr. Hovind think that there are so many superb African-American athelets? Unpleasant as it is to say/remember it: It's simply that African-Americans of two centuries ago were slave field-hands and were bred, as were horses, for strength, agility, etc. All things that were good traits in a field-hand; all things which are also good traits for athletics. Mean and ugly as it sounds, black athelets owe some thanks to the good breeding practices by Southern slave owners. (Or, as we used to say in the Army: "Pay-back is a mother-f**ker!")
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“Survival of the fittest has a flip side — the death of the unfit,” Hovind said.
<sarcasm on> With such a deep understanding of evolutionary theories, <sarcasm off> it is little wonder that in 15 years as a high-school science-teacher, Mr. Hovind never taught evolution. 
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 07/01/2003 : 11:46:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Phobos
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">“Evolution caused World War II,” he said.
*ouch* My eyes rolled too far back into my head on that one!
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Well, no evolution = no growing diversity of lifeforms (assuming life gets started at all) = no emergence of hominids = no humans = no WWII.
There are better ways to prevent wars, but Dingbat is actually right in a twisted sort of way.  |
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/01/2003 : 22:29:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ktesibios
no emergence of hominids = no humans = no WWII.
There are better ways to prevent wars, but Dingbat is actually right in a twisted sort of way.
I think I have to take the opposit view.
If man is still fighting the same kind of battles that he did 2,000 years ago then he hasn't evolved very far.
I know it takes many thousands of years but one would think even 2,000 would make some difference, yet it seems sometimes we are going backwards. |
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Phobos
New Member
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2003 : 11:03:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Snake
If man is still fighting the same kind of battles that he did 2,000 years ago then he hasn't evolved very far.
I know it takes many thousands of years but one would think even 2,000 would make some difference, yet it seems sometimes we are going backwards.
Evolution (biologically speaking) is Change, not Progress.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 07/09/2003 : 16:49:07 [Permalink]
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Evolution (biologically speaking) is Change, not Progress.
Well said!
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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