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Dog_Ed
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 04/23/2001 : 04:38:28
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Hello, everyone--new to the forum.
I'd be interested to hear what you know of so-called chemtrails. (In brief, the idea is that jets are spraying some sort of chemical in the atmosphere--signs of active spraying are spreading contrails leading to overcast sky. A few riders on the chemtrail bandwagon have collected samples (all at ground-level, as far as I know) and found stuff they consider evidence of aerial spraying.) So here's my take: a few kooks are pushing a unsubstantiated theory and linking normal jet contrail behavior to an imaginary conspiracy to disseminate chemicals across the USA. I'd like to hear from any meteorlogists who can give cognizant explanations for why contrails behave differently under different conditions.
Anyone?
--Dog Ed
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JRB
New Member
USA
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Dog_Ed
Skeptic Friend
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 04/25/2001 : 02:55:20 [Permalink]
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Thanks, JRB, the info I wanted was on a link from Jay Reynolds' page. And it pretty much confirms what I thought, that every claim of the Chemtrail conspiracy buffs can easily be understood as normal contrail behavior.
When I was growing up in the country we used contrails as a simple indicator of high-altitude moisture--short contrails meant dry air aloft and fair weather, persistent contrails or spreading ones meant moist air coming in from the Pacific (I live in Oregon, USA). Carnicom and Nick Nelson are making money from people's gullibility. Rrrrgh.
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kat99
New Member
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Posted - 04/27/2001 : 22:32:11 [Permalink]
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New to this forum, too, but not new to the "chemtrail"
folderol. This essay, written back in December of '99
(circa pre-Y2K heebie-jeebies) assessed its genesis pretty
well as it existed at the time.
http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~rwynar/Contrails.html
Since then it has attracted a small but somewhat wider
almalgamation of the paranormal fringes. These three "activist"
sites offer a fairly good insight into the mental processes
involved about what is science.
Sounds like you already have the carnicom url, but for others
who don't:
http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/chemtrailtrackingusa
Beyond these links, I probably don't need to elaborate a whole
lot..
A very nice forum in place here. Appreciative thanks to the
founders. May you continue to grow and reach wider readership
all the time.
kat99
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kat99
New Member
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Posted - 05/05/2001 : 23:34:23 [Permalink]
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Clifford Carnicom is at it again, peddling the harem scarem
notion that biologicals--containing red blood cells--
are being dispersed on the American population,
as he incites here:
"Crimes of the highest order are being perpetrated on
the citizens without their knowledge or consent. The citizens
of this country must confront this issue in a public and vocal
forum with urgency."
Latest pics and claims of this bizarre preoccupation here:
http://www.carnicom.com/bio7.htm
Increasingly, you can read accounts among the various trail-watching
boards that adults in these discussions are forcing their children
to stay indoors, and they themselves are becoming fearful of leaving
their houses as well on "spray days". What a long, sad, wasted and
burdened summer for the innocent children of these believers :-/
He goes on to state:
"Any positive refutation of the results shown on this page by
any responsible party will be immediately presented. Any
refutation will require a duplication of the collection and
analysis methods that have been employed. Sincere and genuine
efforts to examine these findings in an honest fashion is
invited and encouraged"
Some interesting comments about that invitation here.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000447.html
"Tis better to light one candle than to curse the darkness."
Edited by - kat99 on 05/05/2001 23:37:17
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Dog_Ed
Skeptic Friend
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2001 : 01:13:05 [Permalink]
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| kat99--Thanks for the links. Too bad there's no money to be made exposing these hoaxsters; as long as they make money selling books and debunkers have to spend money and time to publicize the truth these stupidities will continue to be foisted on the general public. |
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kat99
New Member
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Posted - 06/10/2001 : 09:27:17 [Permalink]
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Hi there, Dog_Ed-- you still around these parts? Wanted to let you know I downloaded your game and played it more than once. What a hoot!! :-)
Re: "Chemtrail" promoters...
The financial incentives are bothersome, but even more than that, to me, this cloud posse is just downright frightening in terms of their virulent mental contagions.
What is bizarre is that some of them claim a little background in science. And one of the regulars in fact works for Boeing, one of the most oft-"fingered" corporations on Carnicom's pages. Talk about cognitive dissonance.
I can't help but wonder from time to time how long before this bunch of "activists" produces another Unabomber or McVeigh-like savior??
Saw this on one of the debunker boards today:
The question posited was "A new level of Ecoterrorism-- or just another disgruntled employee?"
"FBI probes possible sabotage to Boeing aircraft"
By Christopher Bowe in Chicago
Published: June 7 2001 22:23GMT
http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT378XV2PNC&live=true&tagid=IXLYK5HZ8CC
Yikes.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2001 : 01:31:52 [Permalink]
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quote:
Hello, everyone--new to the forum.
I'd be interested to hear what you know of so-called chemtrails. (In brief, the idea is that jets are spraying some sort of chemical in the atmosphere--signs of active spraying are spreading contrails leading to overcast sky. A few riders on the chemtrail bandwagon have collected samples (all at ground-level, as far as I know) and found stuff they consider evidence of aerial spraying.) So here's my take: a few kooks are pushing a unsubstantiated theory and linking normal jet contrail behavior to an imaginary conspiracy to disseminate chemicals across the USA. I'd like to hear from any meteorlogists who can give cognizant explanations for why contrails behave differently under different conditions.
Anyone?
--Dog Ed
This might not be the same thing but 17 years ago when I moved into my house, I'd heard that air planes let out their fuel over the flight path as they were landing. Since I'm in it, I wanted to know what was going on. I called the airport and others in charge who should, they said that's not true. Should I believe them or some questionable source?
One should get it 'from the horses mouth'. Or, If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 02:04:25 [Permalink]
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No dear, is not true.
Yes, a plane will dump it's fuel prior to landing in and EXTREME emergency. I mean so extreme, that dumping fuel is a last chance for survival. Unless you live near an airport where most of the planes crash upon attempting to land, I wouldn't worry.
Lisa
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 06/16/2001 : 10:19:09 [Permalink]
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quote:
quote:
Hello, everyone--new to the forum.
I'd be interested to hear what you know of so-called chemtrails. (In brief, the idea is that jets are spraying some sort of chemical in the atmosphere--signs of active spraying are spreading contrails leading to overcast sky. A few riders on the chemtrail bandwagon have collected samples (all at ground-level, as far as I know) and found stuff they consider evidence of aerial spraying.) So here's my take: a few kooks are pushing a unsubstantiated theory and linking normal jet contrail behavior to an imaginary conspiracy to disseminate chemicals across the USA. I'd like to hear from any meteorlogists who can give cognizant explanations for why contrails behave differently under different conditions.
Anyone?
--Dog Ed
This might not be the same thing but 17 years ago when I moved into my house, I'd heard that air planes let out their fuel over the flight path as they were landing. Since I'm in it, I wanted to know what was going on. I called the airport and others in charge who should, they said that's not true. Should I believe them or some questionable source?
One should get it 'from the horses mouth'. Or, If it's too good to be true, it probably is.
Any large airport will have a fuel dump area located nearby, where aerial dispersion will cause the least amount of damage. Here in Toronto it's located out over Lake Ontario, (I can't remember the altitude) and if it's ever used then advisories are issued to pilots in the area to avoid flying through it until it's safe. Wouldn't want a big fuel-air bomb going off while Delgado's trying to put one over the Skydome wall, would we? ;^)
The most likely reason for such a procedure would be if a large aircraft experiences trouble just after take-off, but not something dire enough to necessitate an immediate return. Landing with the weight of a full fuel load would put stresses on the landing gear that could lead to structural failure.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2001 : 02:54:13 [Permalink]
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Any large airport will have a fuel dump area located nearby, where aerial dispersion will cause the least amount of damage. Here in Toronto it's located out over Lake Ontario, (I can't remember the altitude) and if it's ever used then advisories are issued to pilots in the area to avoid flying through it until it's safe. Wouldn't want a big fuel-air bomb going off while Delgado's trying to put one over the Skydome wall, would we? ;^)
The most likely reason for such a procedure would be if a large aircraft experiences trouble just after take-off, but not something dire enough to necessitate an immediate return. Landing with the weight of a full fuel load would put stresses on the landing gear that could lead to structural failure.
Thanks for the info Rat. But Canada is a much better country then the USA. My mother was from Winnipeg
I wonder if the rules are more strict there.
At LAX of course there's the ocean but the air port near me is not to far from there but inland.
The complaint was that swimming pools, etc., would have a filmy goo in them caused by the planes. I'm thinking now it was an urban legend started by opponents of the air port.
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Dog_Ed
Skeptic Friend
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 07/22/2001 : 02:57:48 [Permalink]
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kat99: Great to hear that someone downloaded old Bart Ell. I thought the silly fellow had sunk into the Internet and vanished without a trace. I haven't been on the forum for a while, but, well, here I am. Cheers!
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 07/24/2001 : 23:20:32 [Permalink]
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Chemtrails...
At last, an explanation of why the black paint keeps flaking off my helicopter.
And I thought it was just cheapjack NWO World Government procurement and San Fernando Valley air.
Silly me.
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