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furshur
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 Posted - 07/31/2003 : 10:34:55
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Q. Can God make a rock so big he cannot lift it?
A. Yes or No
He either cannot make a rock that big or he won't be able to lift it
Proof: If the bible must be taken literally then clearly God is not omnipotent.
genesis 3: 8-11
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
God said, "where are you?", "who told you you were naked?", and "have you eaten from the tree....".
He does not seem to be all knowing, he actually seems somewhat confused.
This is one of those rock and a hard places situations for fundamentalist:
If you DON'T take Genisis literally - you go to hell.
If you DO take Genesis literally - you go to hell.
Actually, I don't think Hell was invented untill the New Testement, I believe only Sheol is discussed in the old Testement (I could be wrong on this). But if that is true maybe you won't go to hell for a Genesis blasphemy, unless hell is retroactive.
One other hoot is in the new testement - Matthew 1. There is a tedious genology from David to Jesus. This is required to fulfill some earlier prophesis. The problem is that the geneology is actually traced from David to Joseph, Mary's husband. And as all good Christians learned in Bible school Joseph and Jesus are not related! The really funny thing is about 3 lines after the geneology an angel tells Joeseph not to be ticked at his wife for being pregnant with a child that is not his. Go figure.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/31/2003 : 17:28:38 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by furshur
Q. Can God make a rock so big he cannot lift it?
A. Yes or No
He either cannot make a rock that big or he won't be able to lift it
Proof: If the bible must be taken literally then clearly God is not omnipotent.
genesis 3: 8-11
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
God said, "where are you?", "who told you you were naked?", and "have you eaten from the tree....".
He does not seem to be all knowing, he actually seems somewhat confused.
I've never read the bible but thinks for the laughs, and for pointing that out. |
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ConsequentAtheist
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Posted - 08/03/2003 : 09:40:11 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by furshur
If the bible must be taken literally then clearly God is not omnipotent.
And, if it is not to be taken literally - a position held by a good many Judeo-Christian scholars and followers alike - your silly potshots become more or less worthless.  |
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xzxzzx
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Posted - 08/04/2003 : 15:02:11 [Permalink]
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For a skeptic, everyone seems awfully accepting of this. If God is omnipotent, can't he choose to not know? Even if he does know, is it impossible to ask questions that you already know the answer to?
As for the God&Rock question, it's a stupid argument. If you really think it's valid, then we can discuss the point. |
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Vegeta
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
238 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2003 : 15:42:37 [Permalink]
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
*rips God poster off wall* |
What are you looking at? Haven't you ever seen a pink shirt before?
"I was asked if I would do a similar sketch but focusing on the shortcomings of Islam rather than Christianity. I said, 'No, no I wouldn't. I may be an atheist but I'm not stupid.'" - Steward Lee |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 08/05/2003 : 23:05:19 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by furshur
Q. Can God make a rock so big he cannot lift it?
A. Yes or No
He either cannot make a rock that big or he won't be able to lift it
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He does not seem to be all knowing, he actually seems somewhat confused.
This is one of those rock and a hard places situations for fundamentalist:
If you DON'T take Genisis literally - you go to hell.
If you DO take Genesis literally - you go to hell.
These are rhetorical questions... Remember, he created man because he was lonely, and wanted someone to socialize with. So the questions are asked to initiate conversation... |
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 08/07/2003 : 08:29:37 [Permalink]
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And, if it is not to be taken literally - a position held by a good many Judeo-Christian scholars and followers alike - your silly potshots become more or less worthless.
I realize the whole god lifting a rock is ludicrous and rather silly. I was simply discussing the absurdity of taking the bible literally. On the other hand you said I was taking 'potshots' which I was not. A potshot implies that I was trying to attack someone. I started this thread on the Skeptic Forum, I would NEVER go to a religious forum and post something that was attacking their beliefs. I was raised as a Presbyterian and so I come from a 'liberal' religious background (nonliteral interpretation) and even the Catholic church offically recognizes evolution as fact. My concern is with the fundamentalist and their desire to turn the USA into a Religious Theocracy (I am not sure if that is even english, but it sounds good).
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For a skeptic, everyone seems awfully accepting of this. If God is omnipotent, can't he choose to not know? Even if he does know, is it impossible to ask questions that you already know the answer to?
Whoa, I tried to mull over the contention that god chooses not to know something which proves that he knows everything, exept my brain started to hurt so I can't respond to that.
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