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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 08/01/2003 : 10:25:18
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Here is one...
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TOKYO (July 16) - Japanese scientists seeking to clone prehistoric wooly mammoths were preparing their first frozen DNA samples Tuesday in bid to bring the beasts back to life.
Remnants of what scientists think is from mammoth bone marrow, muscle and skin were unearthed last August in the Siberian tundra where they had been preserved in ice for thousands of years.
Researchers at the Gifu Science and Technology Center and Kinki University want to use the genetic material encased within the cells to clone a wooly mammoth, according to Akira Irytani, a scientist at Kinki University in western Japan.
But first, they must determine whether the five specimens brought from Russia on Tuesday are really from mammoths. If so, they must then decide whether the DNA locked inside is well enough preserved for cloning to proceed.
After that, it could take years to actually produce an animal.
``There are many different problems to overcome,'' the Gifu Center's Hideyoshi Ichibashi said. ``I think we can move ahead only one step at a time.''
Kinki University scientists, joined with veterinary experts from Kagoshima University in southern Japan, have searched for mammoth DNA samples since 1997 in Siberia.
Kinki University's Irytani was hopeful about the DNA samples, estimated at 20,000 years old, saying they had been well preserved well below zero.
07/15/03 22:29 EDT
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furshur
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Posted - 08/01/2003 : 12:25:09 [Permalink]
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I had read that scientists believe it would be VERY difficult to get any viable DNA due to the freezing and the age of the tissue. It would be pretty cool though.
I wonder if anyone has tried to clone the aliens that they have at Wright Pat AFB (or is it Area 51)? Maybe we could clone them and then probe them - see how they like it!! But I digress.
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Randy
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USA
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Posted - 08/01/2003 : 12:54:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
I had read that scientists believe it would be VERY difficult to get any viable DNA due to the freezing and the age of the tissue. It would be pretty cool though.
I wonder if anyone has tried to clone the aliens that they have at Wright Pat AFB (or is it Area 51)? Maybe we could clone them and then probe them - see how they like it!! But I digress.
Or was that Studio 54?
Possibly in the near future, maybe we could fire up the backyard grill and slap on couple of mammoth t-bones. Imagine inviting the gang over for some big honkin' bbq ribs!
New product idea...try new "SKLORPECHZ" beer with your mammoth. It's brewed with an earthy Neanderthal flavor. |
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Vegeta
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/04/2003 : 15:36:20 [Permalink]
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i heard they are also trying to bring back the...um....zebra type animal. its extinct and alot like a zebra. Cant remember its name for the life of me.
You know what I think they should bring back? Dodos, that would really be something |
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Randy
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1990 Posts |
Posted - 08/04/2003 : 15:49:27 [Permalink]
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Here's at least one modern day dodo, so to speak.....
http://www.record-eagle.com/2003/aug/02creat.htm |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 08/05/2003 : 00:52:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Vegeta
i heard they are also trying to bring back the...um....zebra type animal. its extinct and alot like a zebra. Cant remember its name for the life of me.
The quagga!
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/mammal/mesaxonia/quagga.html
I think that is a breading project. I heard that they try to breed the most quagga-like zebras to get a quagga-ish population. |
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Vegeta
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
238 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 02:58:33 [Permalink]
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aww thats cheating.
If I have a simple understanding of cloning, what they do is inject DNA into an existing embryo nucleus right? So isn't it conceivable that they can inject quagga DNA into a zebra nucleus and have the zebra carry the embryo until its born?
there must be some quagga DNA inside a mosquito trapped inside some amber somewhere... |
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Vegeta
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
238 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2003 : 03:02:21 [Permalink]
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hey thats a point....presumably they'd get an elephant to act as host to the cloned mammoth right? Its gotta be born somehow. Would they be ya know, compatable?
How big exactly are mammoths?
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moakley
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USA
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Posted - 08/05/2003 : 16:25:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Randy
Here's at least one modern day dodo, so to speak.....
http://www.record-eagle.com/2003/aug/02creat.htm
Bradstreet countered that there is "compelling scientific evidence supporting intelligent design," and that there are "thousands of scientists who believe exactly" what is proposed in his bill.
Are these scientist still doing any meaningful work? Do their primary fields of study have anything at all to do with evolution? Who are these scientist and what is the compelling evidence? |
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Randy
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Posted - 08/05/2003 : 17:02:30 [Permalink]
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My guess is the dodo Bradstreet is ranting, frothing at the mouth, and just outright lying.
Notice the last part?...
"A similar bill Bradstreet co-sponsored in 2001 died in committee. But Bradstreet said he is confident his new bill will get a hearing in the Education Committee. Eight of the bill's co-sponsors are on the 19-member committee."
Close to half co-sponsors are on the Education committee, the oxy-morons.
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"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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The Rat
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Posted - 08/31/2003 : 21:49:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Vegeta
hey thats a point....presumably they'd get an elephant to act as host to the cloned mammoth right? Its gotta be born somehow. Would they be ya know, compatable?
The closest living relative is the Asian Elephant, Elephas maximus, so presumably that would be the host.
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How big exactly are mammoths?
There were a number of different subspecies that showed a large difference in size. The Wrangell Island population was the last to expire, dying out around the same time as the pyramids were built I believe, and they were quite small. If I recall correctly they were about the same size as a Bison. |
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/15/2003 : 13:19:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
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I wonder if anyone has tried to clone the aliens that they have at Wright Pat AFB (or is it Area 51)? Maybe we could clone them and then probe them - see how they like it!! But I digress.
I was doing a SEARCH, furshur, and found this. Now I realize that this paragraph is totally bogus but I have just finnished posting about totally bypassing Ohio (on I-75) for this and that reason.
Ohio has really blah geophysical characteristics but I always enjoyed the very sothern end of the drive and, most especially, the very northern miles in Kentucky. Isn't that Wright-Pat?
In the same vein as my strange (--oh, well. OK. "Bizarre"--) rock story from Vietnam that gave you such enjoyment, every time I drove by the wooded stretch that I think shielded Wright-Pat from public gawking, I got an odd intuitive-level urge to try to see 'something' behind the tree-line. Since I usually drive fast (--stupid fascist Ohio traffic cops! Who could expect anyone to drive a mere 70 or 80 {or 90?} miles-per-hour --- especially on a nearly empty SuperHighway??--), gawking at nothing but trees was a very bad idea but I still caught myself doing it every time I passed Wright-Pat.
Now I'm an olde Army paratrooper (although still a novice jumper) with lots of experience with Air Force Bases. There is no mystique whatsoever for me about an AF Base. I had forgotten all about this experience until I read your odd posting above. Are there really rumors about "aliens at Wright-Pat"??? I thought the home-range of all that stuff was in southeastern New Mexico. 
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 11/15/2003 : 19:48:13 [Permalink]
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| Yeah, the aliens are supposedly kept at Area-51, the "super-secret" place in the southwest. Wright-Patty is lame by comparison, which would of course make it a more logical place to keep aliens if the idea is to keep things quiet. The most logical would be "generic warehouse nobody's ever heard of, but which is actually a huge government lab," but obviously there are far too many of those for the "alien visitation" crowd to keep an eye on. |
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Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 11/17/2003 : 12:28:52 [Permalink]
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| Too bad this isn't a conspiracy- or UFO-site rather than a skeptics-site. Wasn't there a huge gathering of World leaders at Wright-Pat a couple of years ago? (A meeting with the extra-Terrestrial "delegation", perhaps?) |
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2003 : 07:46:20 [Permalink]
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For the sensitive - there is a somewhat vulgar reference in my post.
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Ohio has really blah geophysical characteristics but I always enjoyed the very sothern end of the drive and, most especially, the very northern miles in Kentucky. Isn't that Wright-Pat?
Wright-Pat is very near Dayton, Ohio. It should be on any map or you can follow the signs to it. A wonderful museum is located just along side or on the base. There are no aliens there I am sorry to say.
Approximately 200 years ago that area of Ohio was a tall grass praire with small stands of virgin forest. It doesn't look like much now but at that time it was a land of amazing beauty. Now it is soybeans and cornfields.
Everytime I hear about these silly conspiracies I have to laugh. I mean the president can't even get a hummer (not the auto) on the side without the whole world finding out. |
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