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walt fristoe
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Renae
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 Posted - 11/04/2003 : 11:55:32 [Permalink]
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It burns me up, too.
And before the war, when those of us who had misgivings about it (or who outright opposed it) tried to artiulate this sense we had about things not quite being right...we were called unpatriotic and Saddamites.
And still, few people admit that we were correct. Too many Americans are too busy waving the flag or trying to find a freakin' job to really get what's gong on.  |
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Fireballn
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 16:44:28 [Permalink]
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| Not that I really want to get into this again but......when Iraq was defeated in 1991 it agreed to a ceasefire. With that ceasefire came conditions-UNSC resolution 686 and 687. When Iraq did not adhere to these conditions (after a decade) the ceasefire was lifted. So Dubya didnt really start a new war, he just lifted a ceasefire after the conditions were not met. Right or wrong.........should they have waited longer? Should they have had UN backing first? I don't know, but the UN agreed that those conditions had to be met and were not. Saddam did have a decade, and if he had nothing to hide and just let the inspectors do everything they needed to do.... maybe he would still have his dictatorship and his oppressed people. Then everyone could be happy.......Americans wouldnt have blood on their hands and Saddam could be doing what Saddam does best...... cutting peoples tougues out, systematic rape, public beheadings, thalium poisioning and other great ways to keep people in line. |
If i were the supreme being, I wouldn't have messed around with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers 8 o'clock day one!
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 18:42:52 [Permalink]
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Why do people continue to make excuses for these criminals?
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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gezzam
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Australia
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Posted - 11/04/2003 : 21:33:00 [Permalink]
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cutting peoples tougues out, systematic rape, public beheadings, thalium poisioning and other great ways to keep people in line.
Doesn't that shit happen in other Middle Eastern countries that are allies of the U.S???? Saudi Arabia maybe?
Why don't we liberate those unfortunates?
From http://www.saudiinstitute.org/Torture.htm
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Torture Methods
Rotisserie Chicken (Farooj): The victim is shackled and cuffed. The hands and feet of the victim are tide together, while he is lifted by a wooden bar and suspended in the air in close resemblance to a rotisserie chicken. The helpless victim is then severely beaten by sticks and cables and electric shocks are applied.
Saudi Hanging: Also known as “Carcass Hanging.” The victim is cuffed then lifted by his handcuffs from a special hook on the wall or ceiling, and from the metal doors. The victim is hanged from his hands as long as 16 days, such as one case of Ismaili religious prisoner in Al-Hair prison in Riyadh. The victim is beaten all over the body and on the gentiles while hanged.
Blood Circulation: The handcuffs are tightened to cut off blood circulation for hours which causes terrible pain. Several prisoners reported temporary paralysis, or weakening of limps after this torture.
Falaqah: The legs are shackled and lifted by a special wooden bar. Cables and stick are used to beat the sole of the feet for hours at the time. Bleedings are common in these sessions. The victim will crawl for weeks after the beatings.
Severe Beatings: The victim is tied to and beaten by sticks, cables, and any hard objects such as chairs or machine guns. Several prisoners said they were beaten continuously for a week from morning until night.
Penis Blocking: Tying the penis with a thin string to prevent urination for hours or days while the victim is Saudi-hanged.
Anal Molestation: A broomstick in inserted in the anal canal while the victim is hanged from his cuffs or in the Farooj position. General Suliman A-Alwan and Thafer Al-Shehri subjected several prisoners to this torture in Dammam.
Sleep Deprivation: The victim is sleep deprived for up two weeks such as the case of Shaikh Habeeb Hamada from Qateef, who was sleep deprived for two weeks by Thafer Al-Shihri in Dammam Mabahith headquarters. The victim is beaten, soaked with water, and forced to stand. The victim will start hallucinating in few days.
Deprivation of Bathroom Privileges: The victim is not allowed to use the bathroom facilities for days. Shaikh Mohamed Al-Khudair was a victim to this method, which lead to a colon surgery in Al-Markazi hospital in Dammam.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE230102000?open&of=ENG-2MD |
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
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Tim
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USA
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Posted - 11/05/2003 : 06:17:44 [Permalink]
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Personally, the dishonesty, along with the motives and actions of the neocons does not bother me much. In fact, it pales in comparison to the horror I experience in the mainstream media's hands off attitude toward this issue. Considering the media had no problem running the investigation of the last Exec's love life into the ground, I find it surprising that the lies of the present Admin go mostly uncontested.
Of course, my distrust of the corporate media is no secret.
Fireballin, the resolutions placed on Iraq were not imposed by the US, but by the UN. This is a very important distinction. The UN was/is the entity responsible for enforcing it's rules. Member states do not have the right to oppose democratic decisions within the security council through pre-emptive and unilateral actions of their own in direct contradiction to those UN decisions.
For years, the Repubs have been bashing earlier Dem admins for involving themselves in foriegn hostilities claiming that we are not the world's police force. I've always agreed with them in this. Suddenly, this argument has disappeared in a swell of irrational patriotism. These people haven't figured out that dissent, rather than blind, unquestioning obeisance is the true American ideal.
None-the-less, sending American citizens to their death through even 'misleading' evidence is a crime. There is no action committed by a nation requiring a higher standard of evidence than that of war. |
"We got an issue in America. Too many good docs are gettin' out of business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their -- their love with women all across this country." Dubya in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, 9/6/2004
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