|
|
|
gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
 Posted - 11/06/2003 : 18:10:58
|
Breaking news, apparently Jessica Lynch was raped. Bill O'Rielly is shocked and can't believe it.......
I pray for her that it didn't happen, but with a Jessica Lynch book due out next week, should I be skeptical.....you bet
Selective amnesia maybe??????
See it unfold and you decide......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3248021.stm
|
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
Al Franken |
|
|
filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2003 : 04:09:39 [Permalink]
|
Skeptical indeed!
There has been so much empty retoric surrounding this unfortunate woman that it's hard to know what the truth really is.
It has been my expreience that the more shouting I hear, the less substance I find.
 |
"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
|
 |
|
|
Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2003 : 10:08:40 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by filthy
Skeptical indeed!
There has been so much empty retoric surrounding this unfortunate woman that it's hard to know what the truth really is.
It has been my expreience that the more shouting I hear, the less substance I find.
Substitute her name with almost anyone who's been in the news, on a TV show, in the public in any way and you now have the reason I haven't listened to the news for years.
Don't you get it, people.....It's all hype!!! Someone's always in it for a 'buck', one way or another. Everytime it coinsides with a 'Made for TV movie' or a book deal.
Besides that, most of the stories in the 'news' aren't really newsworthy anyway. There's a murder trial going on right now in California, don't know if anyone else where knows about it but they think a guy killed his wife and put the body in the ocean. Who the hell cares? Why is the media making such a big deal about it. Think! Does it really concern you or help change your life in any way? Unless you are planning to kill your wife, I guess!
What really is news? What really is important to know about?
Stories like that IMO aren't really news. Especially when they drag them out jabbering on and on about the same old details.
What I'd really like to know is why are 'they' are putting stories like that out to the public in the 1st place. Could it be, just a thought mind you, could it be that there are more important things, oh, like, what the congress is doing that DOES affect our lives and they don't want us to know? |
|
|
|
Renae
SFN Regular
543 Posts |
Posted - 11/08/2003 : 08:12:39 [Permalink]
|
One of the reasons women often don't report rapes is because people often don't believe them. Perhaps because I'm a woman, I default to the position of believing the woman. Blame the estrogen circulating in my system. 
IMO, it's none of our business whether or not she was raped. And I agree with Snake about the media. I long for the days of real journalism. *sigh* |
|
|
|
Maglev
Skeptic Friend
Canada
65 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2003 : 10:42:22 [Permalink]
|
Here's another article... Not a lot of new information... interesting none the less.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-12920562,00.html
I found that link on www.fark.com, go read the comments :) |
Maglev
"The awe it inspired in me made the awe that people talk about in respect of religious experience seem, frankly, silly beside it. I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day."
--Douglas Adams, on evolutionary biology. |
|
|
|
Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
|
|
Jimmy_Reynolds
New Member
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2003 : 06:15:48 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by gezzam
Breaking news, apparently Jessica Lynch was raped. Bill O'Rielly is shocked and can't believe it.......
I pray for her that it didn't happen, but with a Jessica Lynch book due out next week, should I be skeptical.....you bet
Selective amnesia maybe??????
See it unfold and you decide......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3248021.stm
"Rape" in sneer quotes? Fuck you and the BBC both, Gezzam, alcohol obsessed bigot and Goebbels-inspired Arab whorehouse, respectively. Go kiss Michael Moore's fat ass (again) while you're at it, I understand he's some kind of god to the Hate-America conformists down there in Drunkistan; er, Oz; your infallible authority on all things American. You sound like North Koreans praising Kim Jong Il when you talk about Moore, the difference being that they don't have a choice and you do. Yet you call yourselves skeptics. That's the real joke here, Mr. terrorist ass-kisser. Fuck you and fuck this stupid website, and fuck that lying shithead and nazi hypocrite Gorgo, while you're at it.
What? Can't take a joke? Ha ha. |
|
|
|
Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2003 : 06:43:59 [Permalink]
|
At least someone thinks I'm sexy.
I don't know enough about it to say I would doubt someone who says she's raped. I don't know enough about it to say anything at all, but I am glad that someone loves me. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
|
| Edited by - Gorgo on 11/12/2003 06:47:13 |
|
|
|
Vegeta
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
238 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2003 : 18:19:55 [Permalink]
|
| WHo the hell is this Lynch woman? Can someone sum up her story for me, I'm talking maybe 2 or 3 lines here. |
What are you looking at? Haven't you ever seen a pink shirt before?
"I was asked if I would do a similar sketch but focusing on the shortcomings of Islam rather than Christianity. I said, 'No, no I wouldn't. I may be an atheist but I'm not stupid.'" - Steward Lee |
|
|
|
gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2003 : 10:58:43 [Permalink]
|
quote:
"Rape" in sneer quotes? Fuck you and the BBC both, Gezzam, alcohol obsessed bigot and Goebbels-inspired Arab whorehouse, respectively. Go kiss Michael Moore's fat ass (again) while you're at it, I understand he's some kind of god to the Hate-America conformists down there in Drunkistan; er, Oz; your infallible authority on all things American. You sound like North Koreans praising Kim Jong Il when you talk about Moore, the difference being that they don't have a choice and you do. Yet you call yourselves skeptics. That's the real joke here, Mr. terrorist ass-kisser. Fuck you and fuck this stupid website, and fuck that lying shithead and nazi hypocrite Gorgo, while you're at it.
What? Can't take a joke? Ha ha.
Ahh, Jimmy my angry little American.....such vitriol. Are you still upset about being called a Seppo? Well, let's add dickhead to the list.
quote:
"Rape" in sneer quotes?
I did not put the quotes there, if you bothered to notice you would have realised I cut and pasted them from the headline of the article.
If you also hadn't noticed, this is a skeptics site and the story mentioned was one in a long line about this unfortunate girl. We have had the press and the pentagon spin us so many lies about this particular episode that my point was that we should be skeptical about what we hear about this girl.
quote:
Fuck you and the BBC both, Gezzam, alcohol obsessed bigot and Goebbels-inspired Arab whorehouse, respectively.
Alcohol obsessed bigot.....now you got me right on the alcohol obsessed part, because I fucking love a beer, but the bigot? Now Jimmy, you don't know mw from a bar of soap but in this post and previous serves you gave me you were the one who sounded more bigoted than I. If you knew me then you would know my opinion on our governments treatment of refugee's and you would also be aware of my support of the indigenous people of this country who have been terribly treated for over 200 years. Bigot....indeed.
quote:
Go kiss Michael Moore's fat ass (again) while you're at it, I understand he's some kind of god to the Hate-America conformists down there in Drunkistan; er, Oz; your infallible authority on all things American.
Have you seen the size of that arse????? At least it wouldn't be hard to kiss it if I were that way inclined……not that there's anything wrong with that.
quote:
That's the real joke here, Mr. terrorist ass-kisser.
What have you got about kissing arses? Freudian slip maybe?
quote:
Fuck you and fuck this stupid website
You don't have to come here, simple as that. You and your buddy Dubya prattle on and on about freedom and the likes, it strikes me odd when someone uses those freedoms to state an opinion that differs from yours you speak like you were raised in the gutter and insult those who dare to oppose you.
You sure that you are |
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
Al Franken |
|
|
|
Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2003 : 11:12:44 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Gezzam:
You sure that you are not a Fundy in disguise? That post was about as well written and punctuated as some of the hate mail at an infidel's site.
Well, Gez, I do believe you have been done in by Jimmy's twisted sense of humor.
In fact, Jimmy is a moderator at SFN... |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
|
|
|
gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2003 : 12:53:29 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by Kil
quote:
Gezzam:
You sure that you are not a Fundy in disguise? That post was about as well written and punctuated as some of the hate mail at an infidel's site.
Well, Gez, I do believe you have been done in by Jimmy's twisted sense of humor.
In fact, Jimmy is a moderator at SFN...
And I think youv'e been done in by mine.... |
Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from.
Al Franken |
|
|
|
Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2003 : 16:53:51 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Gezzam:
And I think youv'e been done in by mine...
Oy.... |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
|
|
|
Computer Org
Skeptic Friend
392 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2003 : 13:21:06 [Permalink]
|
Much as I hate to abandon all of the above glorious humor...
Well, let's face it. Rape is an integral part of War. - Lynch was a blonde beauty in a land of dark-haired, swarthy (Iraqi) soldiers. If nothing else, in the absolute chaos of War, what infantry private could resist taking a peek at what lie in her "private" regions (of the crotch)?
- More: In that part of the world (--next to Turkey; in the old Ottoman Empire. Remember Lawrence of Arabia?--), anal sex (anal rape, whatever the genders involved) is not uncommon.
- And finally, War, particularily infantry action, is sort of "exciting" and excitment almost always leads to arrousal (--why else take one's girlfriend to scary movies? Why drive girlfriend very fast? Sex, sex, sex.)
IF the rape happened, no one should be surprised.
Now to Tim's Yahoo interview:quote:
"The records also show that she was a victim of anal sexual assault," the authorized biography said. "The records do not tell whether her captors assaulted her almost lifeless, broken body after she was lifted from the wreckage, or if they assaulted her and then broke her bones into splinters until she was almost dead," the book said.
Now, if this doesn't qualify as bombastic propaganda I don't know what does. GAG! 
Now, then, from gezzam's BBC story we get this gem:quote:
Rick Bragg, who wrote the book, is also no stranger to controversy. He recently resigned from the New York Times newspaper after allegations his stories relied too heavily on the work of a freelance journalist.
Since Lynch herself doesn't remember anything until on the treatment table and since doctors are in the healing business (rather than the mahem and killing business), in the absence of blatant, overt evidence it is not surprising that he said what he did.
As to her clothes being in good order: Soldiers taking a look at what a blonde beauty's privates look like would almost certainly put everything back in good order -- they would probably be in "deep sh*t" if they had been caught by their own higher ups and it's not worth even talking about what would have happened if they had been caught by an American infantry unit!
Finally as to the "propaganda spin" proposed for the rescue team: Nobody complains if a SWAT team uses exceptionally violent means when entering a hostage-holding place -- yet while THAT place is in the hands of an enemy, EVERYTHING around it is in the hands of friendlies. In War the opposite is true: The building is, as with the SWAT action, in enemy hands; but so is ALL of the surounding territory. Getting in is just Step 1; when it comes to getting out it is through (potentially) hostile territory.  Getting in is not fun; securing the site is not fun; and getting out is not fun. A SWAT rescue is a piece of cake compared to a military rescue -- which can be unspeakably grim. |
Do thou amend thy face, and I'll amend my life. --Falstaff |
|
|
|
Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2003 : 04:17:35 [Permalink]
|
Thank you Computer Org for a sensible reply.
I am retired from the military, and we told what to expect if ever captured. Especially if captured in a country that has little or no regard for human life (pick your favourite middle eastern country here)
She was knocked senseless and maybe raped. I admired her because she's disputing the Pentgon's "hero" spin. She always takes care to mention the others who were with her.
Was she raped? I dunno. If I was knocked unconscious in an Arab country and later saw I'd been raped in my medical report, I'd be upset, but not really surprised. |
|
|
|
Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2003 : 03:32:05 [Permalink]
|
quote:
Originally posted by gezzam
[quote]Are you still upset about being called a Seppo?
What does "Seppo" mean anyway? When I was in first grade people in school always used that word as a degrading comment. But I don't think anyone really knew what it meant. Or perhaps I was the only one who didn't know. And with the risk of being called "seppo", I didn't ask what it meant.
So, please, can someone enlighten me? |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
|
|
 |
|
|
|
Topic Locked
