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Dave W.
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PruplePanther
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 Posted - 12/12/2003 : 11:56:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Renae
Y'all are ruining Dr. Weil for me!  I visit his website often. I disregard a lot of the herbal stuff, because I don't believe in it.
Dr. Weil's site does have some good general health information. He does state, at least sometimes, that certain supposed therapies are just that: supposed. He sounds fairly reasonable here, on his website question of the day (www.drweil.com)...
Felt the same way Renae. don't let them get u toooo down. ole doc weil told me about 'shrooms altho DustyDave and Kil were scornfull. Hang in there renae. The naysayers aren't always rite. They make mistakes too sometimes trying so hard to show everyone else is rong.
Sorry Dave. Sorry Kil. Just trying to cheer up poor renae. "been there; done thet."  |
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PruplePanther
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 12:05:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Pruple Panther wrote:<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Sorry dave. Didnt mean to say that you and Kil were attacking 'shroom-power only that u didn't applaud and clap to hear that 'shrooms were good for healing.
Considering that lots of plants, animals, fungi, etc. have some pharmaceutical value, that these mushrooms did wasn't at all surprising. If that three-mushroom combination proves to be as valuable for general health as Dr. Weil appears to think it is, I'll use it, myself. Until the health benefits are well demonstrated, however, this fool won't be parting with his money.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Am still interested in any "cites" you have linking to what ancient Chineese healers had to say about 'shrooms.[/quote]Sigh. I quoted two medical articles above, from Yang and Kuo, which mention some traditional uses of Cordyceps, and what it's being tested for these days (immune suppression, in those cases). I then, in my next post, gave you a link on how it is "grown" and traditionally prepared.
I haven't looked into either of the other two kinds of mushrooms, and really had no plans to do so.
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Wat's wrong with the quotes?? How to fix it??
Sorry again Dave. Was hoping that u had some refs to what the ANCIENT guys said about ANCIENT use of 'shrooms and other stuff. Most i know is pure bunk like the stuff about gorrilla paws and rhino horns and polar bear dorks. Worse than bunk. Is ecological disaster. Should be made capital crime. Who cares about a few dozen murdered suburbanites when compared to destroying entire species like gorillas or polar bears? Anyway i will read the modernistic pap in ur links in hopes of finding a little truth. WITH A CRITICAL EYEBALL of course. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 12:14:59 [Permalink]
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PruplePanther wrote:quote:
Wat's wrong with the quotes?? How to fix it??
I think, though I can't be certain, that you might be quoting too much. Post a message in the Report Problems forum.quote:
Sorry again Dave. Was hoping that u had some refs to what the ANCIENT guys said about ANCIENT use of 'shrooms and other stuff.
Well, the links I posted discuss the "traditional" uses, which typically means "ancient." |
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PruplePanther
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 12:24:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Renae
Dave, my clip from Dr. Weil's site is mostly wheat, not chaff. I'm not sure what 'supports immune function' means and I agree that it's vague. But he also says he doesn't recommend coconut oil as a weight loss agent and he reminds us it should "play a limited roll, if any, in your diet." People need to hear those messages and Dr. Weil (and others like him) may be one of the few sources they read. The average American doesn't read the New England Journal of Medicine. When I worked for health researchers, I read it, but my understanding of it was still limited (like most people, I'm not a Ph.D. in Epidemiology).
Recommending mushrooms for health doesn't seem to be terribly scientific, but so long as the mushrooms aren't poisonous, it doesn't seem to be that harmful, either. Most people reading Prevention magazine will do little more than perhaps add a few mushrooms to their diet. Which is preferable to starting the Atkins diet or taking dried armadillo testicle capsules or other such nonsense, IMO.
I'm dismayed and annoyed by the poor reporting of health research and by the growing tolerance of alterntive medicine. I embrace very little alternative medicine, though I do believe in the mind-body connection and I'm a firm believer in the role fitness and diet can play in your mental/emotional health. But if you're going to pick a poster boy for bad medical information, I don't think Dr. Weil is The Man. He at least offers sound medical info in the mix and does not accept every alternative therapy.
As usual, I'm wandering off-thread. Sorry.  Plus I'm bitter after reading that yet another study shows echinacea ineffective, at least in children. I took echinacea for several months at the suggestion of my medical doctor. Looks like I just gave myself expensive pee. 
Renae...U say it all so beautifully. Go. Go. More. More. And ur willingness to ty in FOOD to health is GRRRRRATE!! as tony d' tigre puts it. no joking. FOOD is where it's at. I really believe that if u eat rite and keep mind-soul-body in balance that illnesses will be few, if any. Genetic faults excluded. Problem is the coconut oil salesmen. They make money and we get confused about what EAT RITe means. Too bad that there's not a well funded research into our million+ year eating habits that kept us pretty healthy. Nicest part is that we have so many diverse human societies in world to study each with their own long history of "eating rite" for good health.
Hey Renae! U rite "As usual, I'm wandering off-thread. Sorry. " Hey Renae! Is my thread. Wander as much as u want. But much what u said was NOT wandering...was RITE on topic!  |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 13:44:42 [Permalink]
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PruplePanther wrote:quote:
Too bad that there's not a well funded research into our million+ year eating habits that kept us pretty healthy.
Well, you've just stated the problem with "food as medicine." People have been eating a wide variety of foods for many, many years. Whatever happens to be available, mostly. If anything, we've evolved in such a way that which particular foods we eat aren't very important, just so long as we get a decent mix of nutrients.
Dr. Weil, on the other hand, isn't talking about eating foods for their nutrients, but using foods as drugs, to either prevent or cure disease. And indeed, some foods are pharmaceutically active (like omega-3 EFAs acting as anti-inflammatories), but the question of whether they are better than modern synthetic drugs at preventing or curing disease can often be answered "no."
Again, take omega-3 EFAs for example: their inflammation-fighting ability is modest, at best (at least for psoriasis). And taking too much can thin the blood, leading to possible clotting problems during either emergency or planned surgery. While mainstream anti-inflammatories have all sorts of other side effects, they work better, and your doctor will attempt to limit your usage so you're not on them all the time.
Most people wouldn't consider themselves qualified to medicate themselves with modern pharmaceuticals, but wouldn't think twice about medicating themselves with foods (or non-food "natural" products like Cordyceps), which do have side-effects and aren't always safe. This double standard is ill-advised. |
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PruplePanther
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Posted - 12/12/2003 : 14:08:21 [Permalink]
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I think that ur wrong dave when u rite
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Most people wouldn't consider themselves qualified to medicate themselves with modern pharmaceuticals...
too bad but i think that they DO think there 'qualified'. But i agree with u pretty much elsewise.
I don't see food as medicine. See medicine as last ditch stand against INADEQUATE food or improper eating. school lunches as SUPER example. Horrible. TV ads also horrible but at least pitched to adults who should know better.
Disagree that we have 'evolved' so quickly. intestinal bacteria furshur but not us. Think that our proteins are same old proteins that our million+ ago ansestors had. Maybe minor STRUCTURE differences but not at biochemical level. Just wat i think.
think that is VERY important to study old-style FOODSTUFFS and eating.  Why do Finlanders die like flies on fat-rich reindeer dairy products but Frenchies who eat fat, Fat, FAT do fine? Why do Escimoes who used to live like polar bears on MEaT & blubber-FAT not all be dead by 30? Why do some Japanese islanders live and live and live as if they were all Methusalistic descendants? Many questions about FOOD and EATING but little research except by "alternative" diet and medicine industry which i don't trust.
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PruplePanther
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Posted - 12/20/2003 : 12:04:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
PruplePanther wrote:quote:
Wat's wrong with the quotes?? How to fix it??
I think, though I can't be certain, that you might be quoting too much. Post a message in the Report Problems forum.quote:
Sorry again Dave. Was hoping that u had some refs to what the ANCIENT guys said about ANCIENT use of 'shrooms and other stuff.
Well, the links I posted discuss the "traditional" uses, which typically means "ancient."
- Thanks Da-Vi-Oh but the very clever 'orbust showed me how to fix the quote problem.
- Thanks for the links Da-Vi-Oh but they are very technical in biochemicals and i cant really understand them. was hoping for things like the stuff the old curanderos used for health and healing. Too bad the Catholic missionaries burned all the ancient mexican nowledge of the curanderos....and the ancient curanderos too.
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