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PruplePanther
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USA
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 Posted - 01/10/2004 : 08:50:12
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Nice fresh proterhouse steak from store. Cooked. Got bellyache. Dyreea. Nasty,nasty. Been eating steak...usually roasts...for most of life. Bout 2 years ago stake started getting yeuchy. Tastes like cardboard; chews like soft bubble gum. What COULD be wrong? Switched stores; some better than others. Then their stake went yeuchy too. Switched to chicken. Ugh. STEAK is the stuff of good health! Not soft mushy chicken. Tried fish but was full of pollution poisons.
Here's MY guess fellow skeptics. Beefs eat genetically modified corn and soybeens. BTcorn made to repell bad bugs BUT what else does it do? What does it do after beef eats it then i eat it then my intestinal bacteria try to eat it? MADE ME SICK, that's wat!
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Renae
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 Posted - 01/10/2004 : 09:56:52 [Permalink]
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Pruple, thanks for your support on the other threads. I hope you're feeling better.
Lots of things could've made you sick, including bacteria and viruses. I don't know anything about genetically modified food, but my guess is that the cause of your, er, effluence is more prosaic.
A good link on diarrhea:
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/diarrhea/index.htm
I recently had a similar episode that was so severe, I ended up in the emergency room.  |
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PruplePanther
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USA
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Posted - 01/10/2004 : 10:16:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Renae
Pruple, thanks for your support on the other threads. I hope you're feeling better.
Lots of things could've made you sick, including bacteria and viruses. I don't know anything about genetically modified food, but my guess is that the cause of your, er, effluence is more prosaic.
A good link on diarrhea:
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/diarrhea/index.htm
I recently had a similar episode that was so severe, I ended up in the emergency room.
No Renae. Feel awful. Will go away tho. Am eating nice New Jersey Deetz&Watson roast beef and Polly-O motzorella cheese. Motzorella cheese will solve anything. 
Am sure that it wasn't either bacteria or virus. That's why the thread. Is long term broblem. Today is just "tip of iceburg" with degrading meat quality. At least here in cloudy overcast misserable Florida. Don't think that we are eating Florida beef even tho Florida is VERY big beef-rasing state. Except for prok and sheep all meat seems to have gotten worse for last couple of years. When pigs or sheep get sick u KNOW that ur in big trouple. The couple of years thing is what makes me guess the beef feed. Crummy feed is what is causing the recent cancer panic about eating "farm raised" atlantic salmon.
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Maglev
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Canada
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Posted - 01/10/2004 : 11:03:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by PruplePanther
Nice fresh proterhouse steak from store. Cooked. Got bellyache. Dyreea. Nasty,nasty.
Sorry to hear that Panther... I myself only buy meat from a butcher shop I trust, a few blocks from my home. Most of the products are either "grain fed" or bio, almost always from small "traditional" farms. And it shows in the taste, the smell and the look of the meat.
As for GMOs, I personnaly dont have much of a problem with them, except that GMOs are rarely modified to give meat a good taste :) I dont mean to preach, but read this and tell me what you think. He doesn't address the patent issue (the only thing that really bugs me about GMOs), but it still is an interesting read.
As for your illness, could it be related to accumulated fatigue, what with Christmast and all? I know I've been really tired for the past week or so...
Now go get some rest Purple! |
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Renae
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Posted - 01/10/2004 : 11:57:30 [Permalink]
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Sorry you're still feeling sucky, Pruple.
Seriously, have you seen a doctor? Diarrhea isn't something to take lightly. You could have a chronic illness like Crohn's, for example.
When I was sick, I collapsed because I'd lost so much fluid within a short period of time. Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance can be serious. Children in developing countries sometimes die from complications of diarrhea.
Take care of yourself, kay?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/10/2004 : 17:10:57 [Permalink]
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Another vote here, 'Panther, for hoping you feel better soon.
On the GM feed issue, the proteins which are GMed into crops to give them protection from insects and whatnot are most-likely digested by the cows. Digestion breaks proteins apart into smaller chains of amino acids. And if cow digestion doesn't bust 'em up, they've also got to survive human digestion.
This is one reason why therapeutic proteins, like insulin for diabetes, are injected - swallowing them would make them ineffective.
On the other hand, "Mad Cow" disease is passed on through proteins, so obviously not all proteins get digested. And it's always possible that some might enter the bloodstream "on the way down" (alcohol, while not a protein so a bad example, gets absorbed into the bloodstream directly through the stomach wall). |
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Badger
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Canada
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Posted - 01/11/2004 : 11:27:54 [Permalink]
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Hey, Purple.
Can you get Buffalo or Elk where you are? If so, give 'em a try. People farm them up here in Canada, as they use less resources (feed/medicines/suppliments) than beef requires.
The meat is lean, and tastes just as good as beef USED to taste! |
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PruplePanther
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2004 : 12:01:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Maglev
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Originally posted by PruplePanther
Nice fresh proterhouse steak from store. Cooked. Got bellyache. Dyreea. Nasty,nasty.
Sorry to hear that Panther... I myself only buy meat from a butcher shop I trust, a few blocks from my home. Most of the products are either "grain fed" or bio, almost always from small "traditional" farms. And it shows in the taste, the smell and the look of the meat.
As for GMOs, I personnaly dont have much of a problem with them, except that GMOs are rarely modified to give meat a good taste :) I dont mean to preach, but read this and tell me what you think. He doesn't address the patent issue (the only thing that really bugs me about GMOs), but it still is an interesting read.
As for your illness, could it be related to accumulated fatigue, what with Christmast and all? I know I've been really tired for the past week or so...
Now go get some rest Purple!
Thanks everybody. It's notreally as bad as it sounds. When ur a healthy person , even sort of mild illness seems bad bad bad. Never hit the "watery diarriah" stage Renae so dont think that i'm inany danger. Am really talkiing bigger issue...health quality of the food we eat. Bad Porterhouse...straight from butcher shelf in major Florida grocery and cooked same day as buy...is something that SHOULDN'T happen. Missed 60-minutes thing but read Maglev's WPWash.Times story.
Maglev...by "bio" do u mean organic or organic-like? Florida's idea of pure food law is something like "must look like food and not be covered with mold or rat dropings" Don't know but biggest industry in Florda is fixing sick old people so nasty food is GOOD for Florida's economy. We have butcher store here. They sell good but fatty chickens. Grocery-store chicken seems to be all puffed up with water and flavorings. And who knows what else. Butcher's chicken seems better but didn't like beef the once i tried. Think that they get their meat just about same place as grocery...Iowa or Dakota or BushLand.
Follow you i do Dave but THAT's the problem. Nobody studies any of it. Here we are after YEARS of saying "eat more salmon" and now find that farm-raised salmon has cancer-causing stuff...PCB iirc...that got into the salmon from the fish feed. WOW! From the store-bought fish feed.Where's government or even fish industry reseachers? The time to find that fish feed had PCBs or whatever was BEFORE it started being used as feed and not years later. Yeah! "Eat salmon for good health...and a dose of cancer."
Yo Badger. Buffalo or elk? Don't know but sounds like u Canadians are way ahead of us down here in Florida...food and health wise anyways. Tx for the idea. But y shouldn't nice US beef be OK? Something's wrong with beef and has been for 5-6 years. Worse every year. Y? What? Don't know and dont think that anyone else knows. No more than they knew they were feeding farm salmon cancer causing fish-food.
edited to strike out possible insult to butcher store...where i hope to be able to still buy stuff.
edited again to repair incorrect reference to Maglev's reference. |
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PruplePanther
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2004 : 12:55:37 [Permalink]
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Maglev ur nice read deserves more comment.
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From Maglev's Wash.Times article:
Makers of biotech food products are regulated by the FDA, the EPA, and the USDA. Conversely, introduce a new non-biotech food in the U.S. (either from cross-breeding or from another country) and nobody bats a regulatory eyelash.
The part about the regulations being pre-biotech is also utterly false. The original laws giving the FDA, EPA, and USDA jurisdiction to regulate biotech foods came in 1992, 1994, and 1984, respectively.
In Canada, the first regulations regarding biotech food were published in 1994, while the European Union also specifically regulates biotech food, as does Japan and many other individual countries.
"Genetic engineering is a powerful technology, that's why it goes through such extensive regulatory review, and much more so than conventional crops," observes Professor Douglas Powell, Director of the Agri-Food Risk Management and Communication Project of the University of Guelph in Ontario.
Does Kimbrell not know this? Does CBS not employ fact checkers?
I now know FDA, EPA, USDA, Army Engineers, Commerce Dept. and who knows who else all regulate GM food. But grab ahold of this sentence from quote..."Conversely, introduce a new non-biotech food in the U.S. (either from cross-breeding or from another country) and nobody bats a regulatory eyelash." Not even a bat of regulatory eyelash! Then article sarcasticly asks about 60-minutes "Does CBS not employ fact checkers?" Uh-huh. Based on just having told us about how well the Canadians scope out GM products. Sorry there WashingtonTimes. Don't live in Canada. Nice that Canadians are kept healthy but REALLY care about my health down here in Florida. "Not a bat of regulatory eyelash" from US regulators. And do they even check anything? or do they just "regulate" GM stuff? Army has old saying. "What commander doesn't check doesn't get done." Well anyway. Nice that Canadians and Europeans and Japanese are kept away from bad bad GM products. Maybe if something goes REALLY bad Canadians and Japanese can repopulate world.
And then there is this thingy from article
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CBS also relied on Arpad Pustzai, a scientist formerly employed in a Scottish lab who hit the lecture circuit after publicizing a highly controversial test in which he fed a small number of rats potatoes containing a gene spliced into them from a poisonous flower.
"Pustzai says the rats that ate the genetically engineered potatoes suffered unusual thickening of the lining of the stomach and intestine and a weakening of the immune system," said the CBS narrator. "Part of his work was published by [highly-respected medical journal] The Lancet."
Indeed, it was – over the vociferous objections of two of The Lancet's reviewers.
The Lancet also published a critique declaring Pustzai's study was "incomplete," that the results are difficult to interpret and do not allow the conclusion that the genetic modification of potatoes accounts for adverse effects in animals."
Killer potatoes? wHO doesn't eat potatoes? If there is even a hint of problem do we really want to start doleing out killer potatoes? Sounds to me that "thickening of stomach wall and weakened immune system" would mean YEARS of americans eating the killer potatoes before any of us started dying and they finally pulled the potatoes out of marketplace. Sounds almost like what just happened with "farm raised" salmon.
There's more in Maglev's nice article. Read it i say. for your life |
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| Edited by - PruplePanther on 01/11/2004 13:04:15 |
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