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Dave W.
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 Posted - 03/26/2004 : 13:34:03 [Permalink]
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Robb wrote:quote:
Has anybody heard of this movie coming out?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115203,00.html
I know the story is anti-global warming, but the movie still looks to be over the top and political in nature.
Nope, hadn't heard about it. From that "Junk Science" article:quote:
So far, global warming appears to be just an excuse for Hollywood hedonism, human-bashing and electing John Kerry.
The movie's undeniable political overtones verge on the irresponsible, especially in an election year.
Including Milloy's own political overtones.
Perhaps if I were a regular reader of "Junk Science," I would be thoroughly disgusted with Milloy. As it is, I've read only a handful of his articles, but the last two - the one you linked to, Robb, and one I wrote about a while back - give me pains.
It's always seemed to me that if a person is going to make an argument that something is bad (even just through implication), they shouldn't go ahead and do that very thing. Especially not in the very same article. Milloy seems to be adept at it, however, and since he's a well-known and "award"-winning "debunker," I think he gives the "skeptical cause" somewhat of a black eye with his brand of argumentation.
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dominic_dice
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/20/2004 : 23:38:19 [Permalink]
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If the democrats can scare people into paying more taxes to 'clean up' or 'prevent' 'disasters' or force business into more restrictions (causing consumers to pay more) they will put their hand in it.
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Is that implying that you don't think that Global Warming is an issue and that you vote Republican? Because I heard (admittidly off a very biased, enviromentilist websit) off a website that George bush owns an Oil Compnay. If that was true that would provide a good incentive not to care about global warming. |
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Woody D
Skeptic Friend
Thailand
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Posted - 04/21/2004 : 01:07:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dominic_dice
Is that implying that you don't think that Global Warming is an issue and that you vote Republican? Because I heard (admittidly off a very biased, enviromentilist websit) off a website that George bush owns an Oil Compnay. If that was true that would provide a good incentive not to care about global warming.
If you are asking me personaly, I never used to vote for any one party, just because! Over the years I've switched back and forth in order to vote for the person I thought would do the best job for my views.
But the last several years I finally found a party that is compatable with most of what I think therefore I now do vote for a party line, in most cases. And that is Libertarian. Because I know when someone is in that party they have an agenda and it's stright forward, there is nothing to go back and forth on.
P. Bush IMO and from my observation has never said anything intelligent (that is, on his own , and his advisors or whomever writes his speeches aren't much better as for me agreeing with what they say) and I would never vote for him.
I'm not sure what you mean by global warming being an issue and voting republican though. I suppose it is an issue since people are talking about it but I don't know that it really exists or how much of a problem it is if it does or that voting republican has anything to do with it.
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dominic_dice
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/22/2004 : 01:16:41 [Permalink]
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| Sorry I am not that knowledgable on American politics-would you consider that a left wing or right wing party? |
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Woody D
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Thailand
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Posted - 04/22/2004 : 17:11:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dominic_dice
Sorry I am not that knowledgable on American politics-would you consider that a left wing or right wing party?
Dominic, a favor, please? If you could be so kind as to use quotes when you post so when we read them we know at a glance who you are asking or what other post you are anwering. Thank you.
IF you are asking about Libertarians, you can go on my personal webpage CuriousCreations.com and see the link for their site or do a search for them. Rather than me or anyone giving you a partial or biased response, look at what they are about from their own words.
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tw101356
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USA
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Posted - 04/22/2004 : 19:10:36 [Permalink]
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This is Harvard Medical and Swiss Re warning about global warming. For those who don't know, Swiss Re is the world's largest reinsurance company. In a sense, they sell insurance to the insurance companies.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2003/06/19/29988.htm
They say it's real and that it increases thier risk. Reinsurance companies don't like risk because it cuts profits.
"The reality here is simple: insurance and reinsurance companies have the potential to become prime catalysts for the development of renewables, emission reduction and energy-efficient technologies for two reasons: such steps will reduce risks and open up new and lucrative lines of business activity"
It's not just a PR issue. Global warming goes right to the bottom line.
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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 06/03/2004 : 08:18:27 [Permalink]
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Have yesterday seen "day after tomorrow" and it's actually quite cool (although obviously extremely exaggerated, but who cares). For anybody who is wondering about science and fact in the film, this might be a nice link.
The film has even been reviewed in the British Medical Journal  . Haven't read the review yet and don't know whether you guys have access to it (I have because I'm doing an internship at a university). I'll post the link if I think about searching for it 
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/05/2004 : 16:46:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Have yesterday seen "day after tomorrow" and it's actually quite cool (although obviously extremely exaggerated, but who cares).
I saw the movie this evening. And I would agree with the asessment that it's extreemely exaggerated. I have no idea how much of the "funky" stuff was accepted by non-skeptics. For me, it was "just another" sci-fi-catastrophe movie, with cool scenes and F/X just like Independence Day.
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gm137
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/18/2004 : 00:42:33 [Permalink]
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The problem with an 'extremely exaggerated' movie like this is the number of people who won't think it's an exaggeration. As has been pointed out, several groups like to whip up hysteria in the global warming the debate - tabloid newspapers being a case in point. A calculation that is not often included in information given to the public is that some form of 'greenhouse effect' was necessary for life on earth as we know it to develop. Given average 'Insolation' values (solar radiation recieved by the earth) of approximately 3 kWh/m2/day, the average temperature of the earth 'should' be about -15 to -30 degrees C ( +5 to -22 degrees farenheit). The natural development of the earth's atmosphere and the associated greenhouse effect raised these vaues to the more temperate averages we generally enjoy.
I am not arguing that excessive global warming would not be a serious problem, indeed I believe strongly that we must decide on a course of action soon whilst remedial measures against a 'runaway' are still possible. However, we must make these decisions based on fact and reason, not emotive and uninformed opinion.
Still, in the meantime, 'Hollywood science' is fun to watch. |
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Dude
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Posted - 06/18/2004 : 19:54:19 [Permalink]
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Hollywood science is awesome!
My favorite of all time is Star Wars and the nifty sounds all the ships make as they fly through vacuum.... and the explosions... Those gravity-bombs in attack of the clones? To cool for words |
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 06/19/2004 : 01:59:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by gm137
The problem with an 'extremely exaggerated' movie like this is the number of people who won't think it's an exaggeration. As has been pointed out, several groups like to whip up hysteria in the global warming the debate - tabloid newspapers being a case in point. A calculation that is not often included in information given to the public is that some form of 'greenhouse effect' was necessary for life on earth as we know it to develop. Given average 'Insolation' values (solar radiation recieved by the earth) of approximately 3 kWh/m2/day, the average temperature of the earth 'should' be about -15 to -30 degrees C ( +5 to -22 degrees farenheit). The natural development of the earth's atmosphere and the associated greenhouse effect raised these vaues to the more temperate averages we generally enjoy.
I am not arguing that excessive global warming would not be a serious problem, indeed I believe strongly that we must decide on a course of action soon whilst remedial measures against a 'runaway' are still possible. However, we must make these decisions based on fact and reason, not emotive and uninformed opinion.
Still, in the meantime, 'Hollywood science' is fun to watch.
I very much agree with you. As an environmental health intern (if everything goes allright I'll be calling myself scientists in about three months!!!) I am for example very aware of the damage done by the first reports of environmental problems in general, and especially the doomsday scenario's often presented by environmental organisations such as Greenpeace. Fortunately, those organisations have become a lot more professional since that time.
The film is on the one hand a great way to bring the global warming effect in publicity. However, people might decide that the film is exagerated and hence global warming as presented by the people warning for it is also exagerrated. But probably I'm just thinking to negatively on this. Overall, I'd say it's great that global warming is once more brought under public attention. |
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gm137
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/19/2004 : 06:34:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
I very much agree with you. As an environmental health intern (if everything goes allright I'll be calling myself scientists in about three months!!!).
Good luck!
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dominic_dice
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/04/2004 : 13:19:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Woody D
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Originally posted by dominic_dice
Sorry I am not that knowledgable on American politics-would you consider that a left wing or right wing party?
Dominic, a favor, please? If you could be so kind as to use quotes when you post so when we read them we know at a glance who you are asking or what other post you are anwering. Thank you.
IF you are asking about Libertarians, you can go on my personal webpage CuriousCreations.com and see the link for their site or do a search for them. Rather than me or anyone giving you a partial or biased response, look at what they are about from their own words.
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Sorry!. Yeah I was talking about the Libertarians, thanks for the link. |
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