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Maverick
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 Posted - 05/27/2004 : 09:06:37 [Permalink]
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On a more serious note Verlch I would suggest that you study some aspect of science from the scientific point of view until you understand it thoroughly because it would open up a whole new and wonderful world to you.
Unfortunately others have suggested this as well and you've cast a blind eye upon it.
The last thing I need to do is to crack open a diet Coke,
I agree, diet Coke kinda sucks.
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...turn on PBS. Then listen to some numb skull telling me 4 score and 280 billion years ago, dinosaurs roamed the bush! I wanna watch a show about something interesting! I'm a creationist for funcks sake....I don't wanna open N G and have Star Girl blabing and nagging me about how evolution is so "great"! I don't care, I don't wanna hear what some 'man of science' thinks happened 12 trillion years ago! Keep your faith based religion to yourselves and those who think like you!
Wonderful. Here you are, religious and all, complaining about other people who are religious even when they're not. Surely you realize the irony?
Oh and one more thing... what else is a religion if not faith based?
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I don't need my children studying book after book of fiction and dribble!
Glad to hear you're not going to indoctrinate them with religion!
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And I will do the same, I will tell people whom want to hear about God, not you. Your ears are closed and you might be the same 'people' that want to burn the bible out of humanity.
Seems like humanity is out of the Bible instead... and out of lots of people who use it as a powertool.
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I, as of a few days ago, haven't heard of anybody that wants to burn darwins, 'the origins of goofyasses'. Correct me if I'm wrong. As I'm sure the Alpha males in here will.
I am quite sure people wish to burn it. Fanatics are sometimes eager to do such silly things. |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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Maverick
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/27/2004 : 09:09:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
As an official administrative warning: this thread will be closed tomorrow, sometime in the morning or afternoon, Eastern U.S. Time. A new, special thread will be opened at the same time, to partially compensate for this thread's closure. A link to the new thread will be posted in the final message in this thread.
The new thread will not be the free-for-all that this one has been, so fair warning has been given to those who'd like to get a final word in on the subjects (the multitude of them) presented here.
So, for whom will it be open? |
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." -- Carl Sagan |
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 05/27/2004 : 11:10:54 [Permalink]
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I agree that Verlch is pulling our collective legs.
When it was suggested he study science, his reply was he didn't want to spend alot of time watching PBS.
He said he does accept the fact that elephants evolved from Mammoths 485 million years ago.
The guy is pretty funny. The scary part is even though he is a caricature, he is not that far off from some of the fundies that have graced this forum. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/27/2004 : 12:14:40 [Permalink]
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In a previous post, I proposed that he was a troll. That was about two thirds tongue-in-cheek. I wanted to see what reaction I'd get, as well as give Dave W a mild tweak.  Alas, verlch no longer responds to me, it seems. Dunno why. 
Now I'll come right out and say it, no tongues, no cheeks: the guy's a troll.
To me, a troll is someone who intentionally disrupts the conversation, regardless if he be theist or atheist, scammer or skeptic. Verlch has been nothing but disruptive from his Op in this thread. We've all called him on all of his silly assertions and he has responded only with more silly assertions and called it 'debate'. That my friends, is not debate, it's bullshit. Trolling.
The administration in it's wisdom, has offered verlch a way out the cyber predicament he has blathered himself into by shutting down this thread (what's the hold-up,guys?) and starting another, tighter moderated (hate that), in it's place. Verlch has stated, and taking all into consideration, I'll believe it when I see it, that he will not be a part of it. A pity really, from my point of view.
Ya see, a discussion with some people is like wrestling a pig in the mud. Both get dirty and covered with slops, but the pig enjoys it.
I am that pig. 
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/27/2004 : 12:33:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Everything I have presented have been labeled lies by the priesthood of Evolution! Yet Mr's. Evolution have not presented me WITH A SINGLE missing link!!! Other than the mammoth/elephant connection(485 million years ago, mind you!) !
Since you don't read scientiffically oriented web-pages, I must conclude that the number 485 million years ago comes from what a Creationist Website say about ToE. In that case, I've got a newsflash for you: You have been lied to by other creationists! According to the fossil records (interpreted by evolutionists) large mammals didn't emerge until after 65 million years ago.
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I peronally feel really swell thinking I DECSENDED FROM A MONKEY!
Yet another misrepresentation about evolution. You keep determined not to learn anything from us. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/27/2004 : 15:48:53 [Permalink]
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I peronally feel really swell thinking I DECSENDED FROM A MONKEY!
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Yet another misrepresentation about evolution. You keep determined not to learn anything from us.
Yes, and I find it funny everytime I hear it. This statement by fundie creationists is typical of ALL their arguments against evolution. (the the critical thinkers among us, it's called aStraw Man Fallacy) They take a point and misrepresent it then cite it as evidence for their side of the argument.
In case you were wondering Verlch, ToE does not in any way suggest that humans evolved FROM monkeys. Instead, it claims that we have a common ancestor from wich we both evolved.
Anyway.... after a short time in these forums I am beginning to agree with filthy.... Verlch is a troll. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Stargirl
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 05/27/2004 : 17:04:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
The last thing I need to do is to crack open a diet Coke, turn on PBS. Then listen to some numb skull telling me 4 score and 280 billion years ago, dinosaurs roamed the bush! I wanna watch a show about something interesting! I'm a creationist for funcks sake....I don't wanna open N G and have Star Girl blabing and nagging me about how evolution is so "great"! I don't care, I don't wanna hear what some 'man of science' thinks happened 12 trillion years ago! Keep your faith based religion to yourselves and those who think like you! I don't need my children studying book after book of fiction and dribble! And I will do the same, I will tell people whom want to hear about God, not you. Your ears are closed and you might be the same 'people' that want to burn the bible out of humanity. I, as of a few days ago, haven't heard of anybody that wants to burn darwins, 'the origins of goofyasses'. Correct me if I'm wrong. As I'm sure the Alpha males in here will.
That pretty much says it all folks.
Everyone here knows that to learn real science you have to put some effort into it and Verlch isn't willing to do that.
Even as wishy-washy as the many of the science shows on PBS and Discover have become recently if Verlch isn't willing to watch them he's a lost cause.
Verlch says he is a contractor though he didn't say if that was a general or specialty contractor.
And that makes me curious about something.
Verlch since you have such an antipathy toward evolution does that extend to your construction practices as well?
Do you use the same construction techniques and material that you learned to use when you entered the trade?
Or have you adapted/evolved your techniques and material to include such things as engineered limber and ground fault interrupters?
Certainly you would never use a laser level that spits out the same red light as the eye of the devil?
I can't imagine that you use the construction techniques practiced and material used two thousand years ago.
Or am I wrong about that?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2004 : 17:45:39 [Permalink]
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Who knows what might be the truth. Verlch has put down so much mindless blather that it's all but impossible to sort it all out.
Perhaps he actually is a general contractor, but I'd have to see some of his work before I'd hire him (or anybody else, for that matter. I too, have worked construction). But I will give him the benefit of a considerable doubt on it, although I would feel a bit more comfortable if he would demonstrate to me how to figure a set of jack rafters using the tables on a frame & rafter square (once the hip or valley rafter which also takes a bit of figgerin', is in, you can do it quickly and accuratly, face cuts and all, without ever breaking out the tape). Basic geometry made easy for dummies like me.
In any event, I'm wondering if he will return. I still want some reference and documentation for good ol' number Forty and Four:
“Carbon dating is so error-prone that it is fair to call it fiction.”
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2004 : 18:41:54 [Permalink]
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Cma, I am about to accuse you of spamming.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 05/27/2004 : 18:51:42 [Permalink]
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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14408 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2004 : 19:23:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
I have deleted cma's post. You can find it in General Discussion...
I'd asked Dave to do it in another thread. When they thankfully disappeared, I thought he'd done it.
So, a belated, "Thanks!" Spam bugs hell out of me.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dave W.
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