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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 04/01/2004 : 13:10:23
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Have always held to the faith, that if the American public has the untampered information, "the truth," about any given situation, they will always make a fair and good judgement about it. That just may not be the case, however, am learning.
"The poll by the Los Angeles Times found that 52 percent of Americans agreed with charges by the former official, Richard Clarke, that Bush "failed to take the threat of terrorism seriously enough" before the attacks, while 40 percent disagreed."
"The Los Angeles Times survey of 1,616 Americans, taken March 27-30, also found that 56 percent approved of Bush's handling of the war on terrorism, and 59 percent believed he had made the country more secure -- a figure little changed since November."
As before entering Iraq, it seems the 'public' refuses to be swayed by the facts of the matter, and Bush is still perceived to be 'tough on terrorism.' Yet the same facts led me to believe, Bush is reckless, inept, and tough on the Bill of Rights. What's wrong with me..?
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RFEK5G1KEB5DYCRBAEOCFEY?type=topNews&storyID=4728069
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
 Posted - 04/01/2004 : 13:53:36 [Permalink]
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| Inept? He's a first class criminal. There's nothing inept about him. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2004 : 14:58:16 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo
Inept? He's a first class criminal. There's nothing inept about him.
I have heard you call him a criminal before. Can you point out which laws he has broken? |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2004 : 15:11:57 [Permalink]
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The U.S. is bound by the Constitution to uphold the treaties that it signs. The U.S. is part of the U.N., so therefore the U.N. Charter is the law of the land. The U.N. Charter says that countries cannot attack each other. If there is an imminent threat from country 'A', then country 'B' can remove that imminent threat and do no more. Country 'B' is to turn the matter over to the U.N. at that point.
It was illegal to attack Iraq as well as Afghanistan. An international as well as national crime. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2004 : 15:27:54 [Permalink]
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| If we looked at the events in Haiti closely, we might come to similar conclusions. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Paladin
Skeptic Friend
USA
100 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2004 : 18:04:39 [Permalink]
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And now even more information is coming to light supporting Clarke's claims. According to a recent item in the Washington Post(?), Condi Rice was scheduled to give an address on national security on September 11, 2001. The focus of the speech? Missile defense. Reportedly, there was not a single mention of Al Queda or Osama Bin Laden.
Makes you wonder...
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Renae
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/01/2004 : 21:06:37 [Permalink]
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I agree totally, NubiWan.
From The American Prospect, along similar lines:
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At least half of all Americans still believe that the Iraq War was a good idea and that somehow the Iraqi dictator had weapons of mass destruction and something to do with past and future terrorist attacks. Yet the evidence needed to support such conclusions remains as difficult to find as Osama bin Laden or the truth in a Super Bowl commercial. Whatever reason the Bush administration had for doing what it did, if such a reason exists, has been hopelessly lost in the fear-mongering and drum roll of patriotism. Yes, we have established in the public mind the image of a sincere and involved president rallying his country after an attack. But few TV-educated voters can be counted on to discuss intelligently and coherently the implications of the Bush doctrine of preemption -- a radical departure from a bipartisan principle of American foreign policy that had distinguished the United States as a benevolent world citizen.
The notion that we use our might only in our defense was once a cornerstone in our culture. Even in the moral wasteland of television, Marshal Dillon never drew first. Yet the moment that Bush Junior's bombers took flight over the Persian Gulf and tanks began to roll toward Baghdad, this country opened a new chapter in world history. In retrospect, we may realize that it was the final step in the destruction of our finest and most important image, a bold and scary departure in America's foreign policy. Most disturbing, it was a change of immense magnitude made without meaningful debate, shrouded in a catchy advertising slogan, and launched by professional public-relations spinners in a cloud of fear via the miracle of modern communications. And alas, but perhaps not surprisingly, Saddam Hussein did not turn out to be as fearsome as advertised.
Long article but well-worth the read: http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/4/squires-j.html
Edited to add the link. |
| Edited by - Renae on 04/01/2004 21:08:53 |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2004 : 22:28:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo
Inept? He's a first class criminal. There's nothing inept about him.
I have heard you call him a criminal before. Can you point out which laws he has broken?
There are still a lot of prisoners held at the Guantanamo base, without getting a chance to due process.
They are not given their rights as prisoner's of war, and since they were not arrested on US territory they can not be tried in US civil court.
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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