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Randy
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Posted - 09/21/2004 :  14:28:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message
Do you think the Fox Network bought out Natural Geographic????
Horrors!

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
-Neil DeGrasse Tyson
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Starman
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Sweden
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Posted - 09/21/2004 :  23:45:10   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
Greedy cowards!

Don't write that! It might alienate christian readers!

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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filthy
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Posted - 09/22/2004 :  03:10:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
In NG's defense, it is one of the very few publications that communicates science to the general population. If you ask Joe Sixpack if he reads the Journal of Nature, all you'll get is a blank stare. But he will be familiar with National Geographic. Indeed, he might well have a box of old copies stashed in a closet somewhere.

NG has taken some hits, too many of them deserved, since the Archeoraptor hoax, but it remains an excellent, popular publication. Would that there were more like it.

I fear we are letting a bad apple or two taint the barrel.



Edited to add that I think the Ark search, fools errand that it is, is a legitiment topic for NG. A failed expedition can make as good a story as a successful one, sometimes even better. And let us not forget: it is a popular rag. And it is still head and shoulders above the others.

"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 09/22/2004 03:33:42
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chaloobi
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Posted - 09/22/2004 :  05:56:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message
This thread was started back in April. Has there been any news as to whether they've found the Ark yet and brought back the pictures. If they bring back real pictures, I for one am heading right down to the local church and signing up.

-Chaloobi

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filthy
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Posted - 09/22/2004 :  06:45:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Naw. At last report it was called off for this year. Something to do with a secruity-paranoid, (and doubtless hell-bound) Turkish government. Hopefully, it might be a go next summer.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/22/2004 :  06:46:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Chaloobi, go back and re-read page one. Look for the posts in September. This thread was resurrected because of the news.

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Dude
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Posted - 09/22/2004 :  12:25:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
NG has taken some hits, too many of them deserved, since the Archeoraptor hoax, but it remains an excellent, popular publication. Would that there were more like it.



http://www.discover.com/

http://www.sciam.com/

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/

http://www.newscientist.com/

http://www.astronomy.com/

http://popularmechanics.com/

http://www.csicop.org/si/

http://skyandtelescope.com/

and sometimes...
http://www.wired.com/wired/

Just to name a few that I read regularly.

But yeah, NG is a good mag. Nobody is perfect, and everyone gets burned from time to time with bad info..... look at Dan Rather!

Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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filthy
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USA
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Posted - 09/22/2004 :  15:48:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude

quote:
NG has taken some hits, too many of them deserved, since the Archeoraptor hoax, but it remains an excellent, popular publication. Would that there were more like it.



http://www.discover.com/

http://www.sciam.com/

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/

http://www.newscientist.com/

http://www.astronomy.com/

http://popularmechanics.com/

http://www.csicop.org/si/

http://skyandtelescope.com/

and sometimes...
http://www.wired.com/wired/

Just to name a few that I read regularly.

But yeah, NG is a good mag. Nobody is perfect, and everyone gets burned from time to time with bad info..... look at Dan Rather!

Yeah, those are good ones. I might add Scientific American to the list. But none have the recognition nor the prestiege of NG. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that NG is also the oldest of the popular science rags.

All of this is a double-edged sword, of course. When they screw it up, they get it in the neck quickly, even from me. I all but went into profane shock when I found out about the Archeoraptor aw-shit.

NG relentlessly fact-checks and deals mainly with peer-reviewed journals, but that time they were in too big a hurry and went to press before they had the whole story. Shame on 'em, they deserved what they got!

As to the Ark search, it is a perfectly legit story, albeit there'd be little science of interest beyond mountain-climbing equipment and techniques (I understand that the north face of Ararat is not a walk in the park, rather, it is a bitch-kitty climb). I myself, would be interested in reading of it along with an accurate history of such endevors.

Then I could read of it at ICR and AiG for laughs.

Ah well, next year mayhap.


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 09/22/2004 15:58:47
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