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thecor
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 Posted - 05/28/2004 : 21:27:17
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Is anyone familiar with the concept of "the breath of god" as it relates to the theory of the big bang?
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/29/2004 : 06:19:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by thecor
Is anyone familiar with the concept of "the breath of god" as it relates to the theory of the big bang?
Nope. Feel free to enlighten us about it! |
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filthy
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Posted - 05/29/2004 : 06:44:07 [Permalink]
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I've heard of it, but that's about the extent of what I know. I dismissed it as more apolgetics from the OEC crowd.
Unfortunatly, the concept of God(s) can't be tested, thus it follows that "the breath of God" as related to the beginnings of the universe can't be either. Anything that cannot be tested, cannot be falsified and therefore is outside the realm of science.
I think that it is possible, even probable that we will never know for certain where the universe came from and how it happened to form.
But it's being worked on.
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thecor
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Posted - 05/29/2004 : 10:17:35 [Permalink]
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Unfortunately I do not have references to provide as I had read this some time ago, before I figured out that I needed to keep them. The concept as I understand it is that during the initial expansion after the big bang, there was a slight (something like 1X10e-15 seconds?) pause in the expansion. As I remember, if that hesitation hadn't happened, the chemistry and physics we have today would not have been possible as the 'universe' was too hot and expanding to fast for protons to capture electrons, forming atomic hydrogen and later helium.
Again, I apologize for not having references, but I was hoping someone here may know more of process. There is a possibiity that I had read this shortly after the big bang was first postulated and is now outdated.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/29/2004 : 15:26:59 [Permalink]
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Thecor, i think you'll need to get some references.
I can't recall hearing anything about any kind of pause in the expansion, at any of the astronomy-lectures I attended at the university.
Why an Old Earth Creationist would speculate about that escapes me.
The Bible does not mention anything about God breathing matter into existance. Such a hypothesis would be even less science than the idea that the Genesis Account is an analogy of common cosmology. |
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Randy
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Posted - 05/29/2004 : 18:32:59 [Permalink]
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| It's just another in a long-long line of religious methaphors. |
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thecor
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Posted - 06/08/2004 : 08:36:06 [Permalink]
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My research on the web has yielded little by way of reinforcement of the initial question. The best that may fit is the transition of phase from isotropic inflation at 10e-35 sec.:
"During this creation and annihilation of particles the universe was undergoing a rate of expansion many times the speed of light. Known as the inflationary epoch, the universe in less than one thousandth of a second doubled in size at least one hundred times, from an atomic nucleus to 1035 meters in width. An isotropic inflation of our Universe ends at 10-35 second that was almost perfectly smooth. If it were not for a slight fluctuation in the density distribution of matter, theorists contend, galaxies would have been unable to form (Parker)." http://ssscott.tripod.com/BigBang.html
I think I may have to resort to searching Science magazines from the early 60's....or before.... |
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ljbrs
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Posted - 06/12/2004 : 15:46:27 [Permalink]
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I just did a Google search of "Breath of God". A great number of sites were listed -- all religious, some hymns, etc. I doubt that "Breath of God" has anything to do with science. If it did, the site would be listed prominently.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/30/2004 : 07:58:03 [Permalink]
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| What you describe cor is just that the particles were not distributed perfectly even during this period, which led to the clumping of material. This can be easily explained with things like shockwaves and such. Really though to expect a perfect distribution is far fetched at best, considering particles are not stationary objects only influenced from outside forces. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 07/30/2004 : 11:31:03 [Permalink]
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| The breath of god was hot. |
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SciFi Chick
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Posted - 08/03/2004 : 09:59:18 [Permalink]
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So far, I found this: The Breath of God and the Big Bang
An Introduction to the Theory of Stress Line Mechanics
I don't know anything about stress line mechanics, and there were no reviews of this book, but I suppose it's a beginning. I'll keep looking. 
Edited to add: It's by a fellow named Leon Lloyd. |
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