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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 06/15/2004 : 08:22:26
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And why? Why does no one pay attention? Is everyone in the world an idiot? Can no one learn from the stupidity of others?
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A-Ram will be especially hard hit. Because of its location, it has developed in the last few years into a kind of transshipment point for goods travelling from Israel to the West Bank and vice versa. Israelis and Palestinians do business there. All this will end with the wall. The means of livelihood for many of its 60 thousand inhabitants will disappear.
This is only one example of what is happening now all over the West Bank, turning it into a crazy quilt of walled-in enclaves, "connected" by bridges, tunnels or special roads, which can be cut off at any moment at the whim of the Israeli government or of a local army officer--and, all around them, roads-for-Israelis-only, expanding settlements and military installations. Every Palestinian town--Jenin, Nablus, Tulkarm, Kalkilia, Bethlehem, Hebron and others--will become the "capital" of a tiny enclave, cut off from all the others, from their "hinterland" and villages, except by tortuous roundabout routes. Fifty-five percent of the West Bank will be Israeli, the Palestinian enclaves will amount to 45% (about 10% of historical Palestine).
http://www.counterpunch.org/
This will not last short of genocide. That's what history tells us.
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
424 Posts |
Posted - 06/22/2004 : 21:48:33 [Permalink]
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Ummmmm.., not everyone, just most.
"I have never ordered torture," Bush said. "I will never order torture." Reminds me of, "I didn't have sex with that woman," for some reason, though the effects on the nation's standing are a whole lot different, huh... |
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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 19:11:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Filthy: This will not last short of genocide. That's what history tells us.
Whoa Tiger, If you are talking about 'The Wall' as in 'Berlin' (and I don't mean Irvin) are you suggesting that
- A) The Wall went up, then the genocide started? Which to be honest, I don't think you are.
- B) The chronology of war/genocide is unimportant to the comparison, but the results will be the same.
- C) Either the Israelis or the Palestinians will (attempt) to eradicate the other?
- D) None of the above, Welshdean, you are thick as pig-shit.
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---- Muhammad Ali
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 19:46:45 [Permalink]
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I think I'll go with 'C', although that's not exactly what my thought was. I was thinking of the Jewish Ghettos in Germany just prior to WW II. History tells this sordid story all too vividly.
The situation in the Mideast is deterioring so rapidly, Israel included, that it's all but impossible to to make any prediction based on the situation. The wild card in the game is the US. Nobody knows what we'll do next, including ourselves.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
United Kingdom
172 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 20:08:14 [Permalink]
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I think I'll go with 'C', although that's not exactly what my thought was. I was thinking of the Jewish Ghettos in Germany just prior to WW II. History tells this sordid story all too vividly.
Man I wish I had offered you this as the 'E' option. I simply had not considered your post deply enough.
Ghettos, eradication of vermin, I can now see your fears.
These fears of yours, do beg the questions;
Would the world allow that to happen again, to that extent? Would we step in, before the Middle East finds itself in that unthinkable situation?
I like to think we've 'evolved' morally to the extent that the events in the forties couldn't and wouldn't be allowed to happen again.
We didn't and couldn't 'KNOW' what was going on in the death camps during the early forties, but that 'kinda shit' couldn't be hidden today, could it? |
"Frazier is so ugly he should donate his face to the US Bureau of Wild Life."
"I am America. I am the part you won't recognize, but get used to me. Black, confident, cocky. My name, not yours. My religion, not yours. My goals, my own. Get used to me."
"Service to others is the rent you pay for your room here on earth."
---- Muhammad Ali
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 06/23/2004 : 23:02:55 [Permalink]
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The wild card in the game is the US. Nobody knows what we'll do next, including ourselves.
I know what we will do next! We will do whatever Karl Rove thinks will boost W's poll numbers!
Seriously, I hope that something along the lines of 1940 Germany could not be hidden now. Not saying genocide can't happen (see Rowanda in the 90's), but one would hope that it can't be kept a secret. Also, I would hope that the US doesn't sit idly by and let it happen. Something we are so fucking good at. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/24/2004 : 21:12:22 [Permalink]
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| Or Sudan, now...? |
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