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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 06/28/2004 : 13:18:29
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Looks like US citizens are now officially able to be called "enemy combatant" and detained forever with no access to the legal system.
I'm moving to New Zealand.....
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AP file Court rules U.S. can hold
citizen as ‘enemy combatant'
But justices say detainees can mount
legal challenge to harsh treatment.
BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 10:23 a.m. ET June 28, 2004WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court delivered a partial victory to the Bush administration in its war on terrorism Monday, ruling narrowly that Congress gave President Bush the power to hold an American citizen without charges or trial, but that the detainee can challenge his treatment in court.
The ruling did not fully address other hard questions raised by the case of Yaser Esam Hamdi, detained more than two years and only recently allowed to see a lawyer. His parents are Saudis and he was born in the United States.
The administration had fought any suggestion that Hamdi or another U.S.-born terrorism suspect, Jose Padilla, could go to court, saying a legal fight was a threat to the president's power to wage war as he sees fit.
"We have no reason to doubt that courts faced with these sensitive matters will pay proper heed both to the matters of national security that might arise in an individual case and to the constitutional limitations safeguarding essential liberties that remain vibrant even in times of security concerns," Justice Sandra Day O'Connor wrote for the court.
O'Connor said that Hamdi "unquestionably has the right to access to counsel."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 06/28/2004 : 13:50:50 [Permalink]
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I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Terryt88
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2004 : 14:50:32 [Permalink]
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I'm moving to New Zealand...
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Stargirl
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/28/2004 : 17:43:43 [Permalink]
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Fortunately it wasn't a total victory for Bush and his people.
And the SCOTUS did say that Congress gave him the power, which means that Congress should be able to take it away. Although I doubt the republican controlled House and Senate would even think of curtailing Bush in his mad quest to eliminate haul off anyone who doesn't believe in Truth, Justice, and The American way, well okay in his ultra conservative, fundamentalist Christian way.
I also noticed that one of the rulings only applies to the detainees at Guantanamo bay in Cuba and not to other foreign locations where detainees are being held. How long do you think it will take before the administration ships these guys out of Cuba to another probably undisclosed foreign location that isn't covered by the ruling?
Reading some of the articles I got the impression that a number of the members on the SCOTUS weren't particularly happy with their limited rulings.
Just to be on the safe side it might be a good idea if someone sent the members of the SCOTUS a copy of the book “Judgment at Nuremberg”. For those who may not know it's about the Post WWII trial of German Judges who gave in to political pressure and nationalist zeal and ended up subverting the Constitution. That is the German Constitution, which believe it or not actually prohibited most of the acts in which the Nazis engaged. At least they should watch the movie; it's a might long and a bit slow in spots but heck it's got Spencer Tracy, Burt Lancaster, Judy Garland, Colonel Klink, that is Werner Klemperer, and even Captain Kirk Himself William Shatner.
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