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tomk80
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 Posted - 09/24/2004 : 08:46:37 [Permalink]
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... who calls himself 'tkster'. He is building a website ... which is aimed at the 'true' skeptics. ...
How can anyone be a *true* skeptic?
Can I still become a true skeptic if I am skeptic about true skeptics?
I actually have no idea. But then again, I have no idea how you can become a *true* anything. |
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tomk80
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 16:19:41 [Permalink]
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Its not really controversial is it? I have a feeling he is making it up as he goes along.
I for one haven't picked up on this 'controversy'. Can't find anything on it either. As far as I know, humans are still safely classified as hominidae.
Besides, I never heard of the class animalia before. Does he mean Metazoa (animals) or Amniota (reptiles, mammals, birds, dinosaurs etc) or Mammalia (mammals)? Or did I miss something and did they change that too?
Have you e-mailed professor Held? Seems to me he especially researches drosophila, not human ancestry lines. Reinburg also gave no returns on pubmed. |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Siberia
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 16:23:21 [Permalink]
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| I think he meant Animalia as in the kingdom, not class. As if he'd become a whole new kingdom separate from the rest of the animals. |
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tomk80
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 16:28:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
I think he meant Animalia as in the kingdom, not class. As if he'd become a whole new kingdom separate from the rest of the animals.
Ah, of course, figures. |
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 19:27:04 [Permalink]
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The name "Reinburg" doesn't even appear in PubMed, which I would expect it to given the genetic nature of his alleged work. I suspect a misspelling, at best.
Searching the TTU site for "Reinberg" got seven hits, but they're all to references at the end of other research papers. 634 PubMed hits for "Reinberg," I'm not going through them all. None co-authored with Held, but then there's no guarantee they published their opinion in a medically-oriented journal.
But generally Googling for a variety of spellings of "reinburgs" and using variations of Lewis Irving Held doesn't turn up squat, either, except that Dr. Held, in the bibliography of Imaginal Discs: The Genetic and Cellular Logic of Pattern Formation, cites this paper:Hampsey, M. and Reinberg, D. (1999). RNA polymerase II as a control panel for multiple coactivator complexes. Curr. Opin. Gen. Dev. 9, 132-139. No help there, not even sure if it's the right guy.
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 21:13:23 [Permalink]
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Ok, now tk says that the only way he has to reach Held is in person, so it seems as if he doesn't have an email at all. But what he did give me is an email to S.G. Smith, a professor at SPC. However what is really weird is that its a hotmail account.
Ok, now it gets worse. S.G. Smith doesn't exist at South Plains College (I assume that this is what tk was referring, as it is right outside of TTU where tk goes to college). The only think I could find was a S.R. Smith, and he has his own email at the college.
Is it just me, or is something really wrong here?
Edit: It is no longer an assumption, tk has just verified that it is in fact South Plains College
Edit #2: Oh yea, forgot to mention, S.R. Smith is a math and physics professor |
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 22:13:19 [Permalink]
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tk is clearly willing to distort facts to suit his own ends...
I have never hear of anyone wanting to take humans out of the animal kingdom.... the very idea seems rediculous.
There are probably some hard core fundies out there who disagree with the taxonomical classification of humans though.... not that their opinion has any merit. |
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