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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 08/19/2004 : 17:18:08
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Scraping the bottom of a pretty, damned shallow barrel!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/08/19/politics1055EDT0530.DTL
I'd have put this in Humor but Dave would have just moved it, anyway. 
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Ricky
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 08/19/2004 : 22:48:26 [Permalink]
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I got a nice laugh from the Skeptic Times.... click the science tab, and select evolution 101.
It's amazing what the truly ignorant will post, and take credit for posting, on the internet.
And I'm not sure hwat the republicans are trying to do by having Zell-out Miller be their keynote speaker... but it is funny. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/20/2004 : 03:10:21 [Permalink]
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From the Skeptic times:
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[A Certain Creationist] doesn't have a genuine PhD or didn't pay his taxes, or has an honorary PhD from Berkeley or etc.
This is just funny. Does this have anything to do with science at all? No. If one of the Creationists doesn't have a genuine PhD, then these Evolutionists should eat Creationists up.
Evolutionists are too scared to debate because they are exposed for frauds during debates.
Evolutionists get refuted right and left in debates.
Evolutionists are exposed for knowing very little about science in debates.
Evolutionists have very few sources to back up any of their claims.
Evolutionists are seen by the public as liars in debates.
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
4907 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2004 : 07:36:47 [Permalink]
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Ah, maybe I shouldn't made that connection, forgot that it would probably change the topic, but oh well.
If you look on his evolution page, he said that only 55% of scientists agree with Darwinian Evolution. When I questioned him on this in the forum, he termed it as atheistic evolution, that is, evolution without the help of god. This agrees with sources that I have found, saying 55% of scientists say atheistic evolution, 45% theistic evolution, and 5% disagree with it overall. He also claims that he quoted it from the NY Times, but I can't find it anywhere when I use the search engine on the NY Times' page. I showed him how the figure is misleading, as many people don't know what Darwinian Evolution is, and would interpret this as just plain evolution (with or without the presence of God). He refuses to change it till other people complain.
I know the entire thing is just an Appeal to Popularity of Authoirty, but so is most of his page so I figured I'd attack that statistics on this one.
He seems like a reasonable guy, but by no means what I would call a skeptic. He takes after Verlch making unsupported assertions and when I call him on those assertions (the biggest one so far, evolution is no a science), he says that I have to think for myself. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 08/20/2004 : 08:59:59 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
Ah, maybe I shouldn't made that connection, forgot that it would probably change the topic, but oh well.
If you look on his evolution page, he said that only 55% of scientists agree with Darwinian Evolution. When I questioned him on this in the forum, he termed it as atheistic evolution, that is, evolution without the help of god. This agrees with sources that I have found, saying 55% of scientists say atheistic evolution, 45% theistic evolution, and 5% disagree with it overall. He also claims that he quoted it from the NY Times, but I can't find it anywhere when I use the search engine on the NY Times' page. I showed him how the figure is misleading, as many people don't know what Darwinian Evolution is, and would interpret this as just plain evolution (with or without the presence of God). He refuses to change it till other people complain.
Not to be nitpicky or nuthin, but....
55% + 45% + 5% = 105%
Somethings amiss here.
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 08/20/2004 : 10:32:32 [Permalink]
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Some of the percentages that get thrown around by the media
I mean it's gotten to the point where they just make the numbers up and throw'em out there. After all 93% of all claimed percentages are off by 44%  |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
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Ricky
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Maglev
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 08/20/2004 : 12:44:49 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by astropin
Some of the percentages that get thrown around by the media
I mean it's gotten to the point where they just make the numbers up and throw'em out there. After all 93% of all claimed percentages are off by 44%
Yeah, and everybody knows that 85% of all statistics are wrong anyway :) Those damned Statisticians! |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 08/20/2004 : 13:11:54 [Permalink]
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Actually, Maglev, only 12% of the general population knows that 85% of all statistics are wrong.
"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- Mark Twain |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 08/20/2004 : 13:24:55 [Permalink]
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| Not only that but many of the statistics that are correct are misleading at best. |
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welshdean
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/20/2004 : 14:31:21 [Permalink]
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| It all makes no difference, because as we all know, 87.2% of all statistics are made up 'on the spot'. |
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