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R.Wreck
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Posted - 08/24/2004 :  16:00:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send R.Wreck a Private Message
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Ricky,
Thanks for the source on acupuncture. I am going to have to look at this more closely. I have assumed it was BS, because of the mumbo-jumbo that goes along with it.

Interesting....
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I made the same mistake too. It wasn't until I read on some acupuncture site that the W.H.O. supported it, and then I looked at the W.H.O. website and found this to be true did I actually consider it to have a real effect.


Scientific American Frontiers (a show on PBS) did a show on alternative medicine, and accupuncture was the only one of several disciplines investigated (I remember they looked into herbal medicine and chiropractic too) not shown to be bunk. Although, one trial showed that an accupuncture point for reducing blood pressure actually did reduce blood pressure, when they tested a point supposedly used for treating something else (kidneys or some such) it....reduced blood pressure! I leave the door open for accupuncture to have psyciological effects due to interactions with the nervous system. I agree, however, that the "qi" explanation is just a primitive rationalization for why these responses occur.

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Ricky
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Posted - 08/24/2004 :  17:42:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Its also important to remember that acupuncture does not help or cure everything. Make sure you look into what tests it has passed before you go get it done, and if you do get it done, get it done by a doctor.

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beskeptigal
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Posted - 08/26/2004 :  00:33:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Licensed acupuncturists are not necessarily doctors. Acupuncture isn't known to be high risk for injury to my knowledge. I have only seen suggestive research results, but there is evidence acupuncture does something. We also use electrical stimulation of certain points for pain control, (TENS), in Western med. And some kind of 'Therapeutic Massage' of specific body sites has documented results. I have only read a little bit about these techniques.
Edited by - beskeptigal on 08/26/2004 00:34:33
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 08/26/2004 :  23:24:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
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Its also important to remember that acupuncture does not help or cure everything. Make sure you look into what tests it has passed before you go get it done, and if you do get it done, get it done by a doctor.

My (and also my brother's) experience is that classic Chinese acupuncture works much better than the western style.
It makes sense, because classic eastern style has been developed over thousands of years of trial-and-error.
A doctor will most likely have training in western style, so I'd avoid that one, unless he/she was working together with an Asian.

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