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BigPapaSmurf
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 Posted - 08/27/2004 : 10:07:56
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http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_13.html
Isrealis using secret micro lie detectors on 'suspicious passengers', device can proportedly (cough)
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measure voice for such traits as deception, excitement, stress, concentration, hesitation, anger, love and lust.
The chip can be inserted in an eyeglass frame and allow screeners to determine with 98 percent accuracy whether a suspicious traveler has intentions to launch an attack during flight, Middle East Newsline reported.
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"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/27/2004 : 12:19:22 [Permalink]
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The new technology has been relayed to the United States for marketing by a New York-based company V Entertainment, which markets a product to allow screeners to process a would-be airline passenger within 30 seconds.
V Entertainment? Whaddafork? As our Mexican friends would say: "Boolchit!"
Even if this boolchit actually worked, I'll bet a good phlemy cold, real of faked, would stop it in it's tracks. And an accent like mine -- southern mushmouth -- would blow the circuts.
Do I yet again hear the exchange of dollars for crap?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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satans_mom
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 08/27/2004 : 13:11:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Do I yet again hear the exchange of dollars for crap?
I can smell it. It smells awful. Yet another waste of American money, hmm. I'll take 8. |
Yo mama's so fat, she's on both sides of the family.
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2004 : 14:01:52 [Permalink]
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Why don't the Israelis save their cash and just read tea leaves instead?
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"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/27/2004 : 17:56:52 [Permalink]
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| That's funny! Who would buy them, I wonder? |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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Ricky
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/27/2004 : 19:42:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Try using it on the people who made it....
Right on! Whether it worked or not, we could argue for weeks on whether or not they should be prosecuted for lying. I love it!   
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Randy
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Posted - 08/27/2004 : 20:41:54 [Permalink]
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Here's a interesting link just Googled up on the so-called 'technology'. It's been around for a while...
http://faculty.law.lsu.edu/ccorcos/researchmethodscoursematerials/voicestressanalysisstory.htm |
"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."
"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 08/28/2004 : 14:14:16 [Permalink]
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Sounds like there are conflicting claims of accuracy. The device uses technology similar to lie detectors which do work but have too high an error rate to be used in court. Perhaps, knowing you are about to kill yourself for god and country allows a higher success rate for a voice stress detection device. While it might have less success testing if your boyfriend is cheating, it might work for flight screening.
There has been some promising research in matching facial expression and other body language with the truthfulness of statements. If they develop a computer program to measure those cues, they might have a better device. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 08/28/2004 : 18:50:03 [Permalink]
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beskeptigal wrote:quote:
The device uses technology similar to lie detectors which do work but have too high an error rate to be used in court.
And yet according to major studies, the standard polygraph doesn't do much of anything. All the decisions are made by the polygrapher, after all, and not the machine. Polygraphing is more likely to get a guilty person to confess if he/she believes that polygraphy "works," which indicates that the machine itself does nothing.
It's an expensive and much fancier version of saying "there was ink on the stolen object," and looking for the person who looks at his/her hands. The problem is, with mass polygraphy for hiring and maintaining a job, we've got no a priori evidence that anything had been stolen. The courts don't use polygraphy not because of a high error rate, but because they know the results are no better than hearsay on the part of the polygrapher.
And polygraphy as used by the U.S. government has failed to catch even a single spy. It works no better at determining a person's trustworthiness than interviewing. Yet several government agencies are ignoring the government-sponsored study results and increasing the rate of polygraphic exams of employees. It makes no sense at all. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/29/2004 : 01:06:37 [Permalink]
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I know very little about the accuracy of lie detectors other than they are not accurate enough to meet evidence standards. But that doesn't mean they don't work at all. So without claiming to know who is right here, I looked for the research.
From the skeptic's dictionary, it is clear they are totally skeptical. But they cite a lot of analyses and not as much original research.
While the polygraph association has a reason to be biased, they do cite original research.
So I'm not sure what to think. |
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