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Siberia
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 Posted - 09/22/2004 : 09:11:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Greetings Siberia, and welcome!
I see that you are teetering precariously upon the crumbling edge of the psychedelic abyss we know as verlch. If you fall in, as have most of us, you will be hard pressed to get out. He will blindly drag you to the extremes of fantasy; to the very zeneth and the nadir of glorious flapdoodle.
He will claim that you have a soul, then he will devour it!
Kinda fun, actually.
Thank you, Filthy ;) Apparently it already begun. Yay, thankfully I love fantasy.
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We believe in our maker on this planet by faith.
Ah, you speak of faith. However, faith is a pre-requisite to all religions. So what makes your God live and not the others, if all it requires is faith? What makes you right, and the hindus, wiccas, muslins, etc, wrong?
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With all the parts in you that make you wonderfully created. The 25,000 miles worth of blood vessels. The 200 billion + neuron connections in your brain. Your spinal cord, the headquarters of your human body. Each part serves a purpose in your body. What did the liver do while you where evolving mindlessly thourgh time? How did it keep your blood clean so you wouldn't turn yellow and live to see another day. As the penis was evolving, I'm sure it didn't always work at all. How did you propogate as it was mindlessly taking shape.
I must admit it is wonderful, but... have you ever heard of the other forms of reproduction that aren't sexuated? Some animals don't get penises, either. How do they reproduce?
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Lets just say this, IF I had lived 6000 years ago and had seen God and Jesus laying the foundations of this world, and I told you. Would you beleive me or call me crazy? I think the later. I could go to heaven right now, come back and say I talked with God, would that make you a believer or a skeptic?
If you just came up and said you did, yes. If you brought concrete, unrefutable, unmistakable proof that you did, a proof so good it closed-out all other possibilities, I could eventually believe you. Since I don't believe you have that power...
... and Jesus was there, too? Wasn't he born a little, um, later? For very specific reasons? |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Ricky
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verlch
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 21:02:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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... and Jesus was there, too? Wasn't he born a little, um, later? For very specific reasons?
I think he may be referring to the trinity, how God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all one, but three different things. It has never made sense to me.
It's my take that Jesus or Michael the Arch Angel was the first created being that God made. He gave Him knowledge that no other created being had. Then Gabriel, Lucifer and Co. where made. Lucifer was placed 4th in command and not given the knowledge that Jesus had, thus Lucficer went nuts, became the Father of Lies, went to war with God, took 1/3 of the Angels in heaven and was tossed out.
Rev. 12:7-9: "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him". |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 21:19:56 [Permalink]
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If you just came up and said you did, yes. If you brought concrete, unrefutable, unmistakable proof that you did, a proof so good it closed-out all other possibilities, I could eventually believe you. Since I don't believe you have that power...
... and Jesus was there, too? Wasn't he born a little, um, later? For very specific reasons?
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Somehow I think God could shine over your house right now and you would still deny your maker. You deny His handywork, why wouldn't you deny His person?
You remind me of Isreal. They had a cloud that led them around the desert. Gave them light at night, and led them during the day.
Exodus 13:21 - By day the Lord went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way, and by night a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or by night.
Numbers 9:15-23 - On the day the tabernacle, the Tent of Testimony, was set up, the cloud covered it. From evening until morning the cloud above the tabernacle looked like fire...Whenever the cloud lifted from above the Tent, the Israelites set out; whenever the cloud settled, the Israelites encamped. At the Lord's command the Israelites set out, and at His command they encamped. As long as the cloud stayed over the tabernacle they remained in camp...Whether by day or by night, whenever the cloud lifted, they would set out...They obeyed the Lord's order, in accordance with His command through Moses.
You seem like the guy that would see the cloud set out and settle and still deny the existance of God. Look you deny the complexity of the human body, how am I to believe that God could set Himself in a cloud, so His glory wouldn't kill the Jews, and you would believe in your maker? How did that cloud move, and know where to go? You would explain it away into some sort of If I can see your face, and die, then I'll believe you exist!!! Isreal saw all that and still many of them rejected God, as do you.
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 09/22/2004 : 22:12:00 [Permalink]
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Ah, you speak of faith. However, faith is a pre-requisite to all religions. So what makes your God live and not the others, if all it requires is faith? What makes you right, and the hindus, wiccas, muslins, etc, wrong? quote:
Abraham is the Father of Christendom, Judism, and Islam. That is a large part of humanity. Just so happens that Islam and Judism are at war over the holy land and nothing more. Each one claims it as his own and Isreal has pitched her tent there.
The truth of the matter is Lucifer saw God every single day of his existance, yet he turned his back on his Maker. So the truth of the matter is no matter how much of God you see, you choose not to do His will and live your life according to His laws. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 12:48:42 [Permalink]
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Verlich said:
It's my take that Jesus or Michael the Arch Angel was the first created being that God made. He gave Him knowledge that no other created being had. Then Gabriel, Lucifer and Co. where made. Lucifer was placed 4th in command and not given the knowledge that Jesus had, thus Lucficer went nuts, became the Father of Lies, went to war with God, took 1/3 of the Angels in heaven and was tossed out.
So you just make this crap up as you go along?? It sure isn't scriptually based.
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 14:30:05 [Permalink]
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Ah, but Jesus was born to be the mortal's advocate.
I never denied the human body's complexity. I'm still marvelled by it, everyday I wake up. You don't seem to be, since you diminish the most wonderful piece of all: the mind.
What if Darwin was divinelly inspired to write what he wrote and found the evolution strain of thought? How can you know he wasn't?
I never denied God, either. Evolution and God aren't mutually exclusive, y'know. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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verlch
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Posted - 09/24/2004 : 23:42:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
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Verlich said:
It's my take that Jesus or Michael the Arch Angel was the first created being that God made. He gave Him knowledge that no other created being had. Then Gabriel, Lucifer and Co. where made. Lucifer was placed 4th in command and not given the knowledge that Jesus had, thus Lucficer went nuts, became the Father of Lies, went to war with God, took 1/3 of the Angels in heaven and was tossed out.
So you just make this crap up as you go along?? It sure isn't scriptually based.
Its there all the plenty, you just need to be a student of it for several years... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 01:34:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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Its there all the plenty, you just need to be a student of it for several years...
Since you claim it is there, maybe you could show us how? No, wait, this is probably just another unsupported assertion. Never mind.
You and radicalism will shoot down any attempe at creationist reason |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 01:53:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Ricky
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Its there all the plenty, you just need to be a student of it for several years...
Since you claim it is there, maybe you could show us how? No, wait, this is probably just another unsupported assertion. Never mind.
You and radicalism will shoot down any attempe at creationist reason
I'll add that little gem to my list of oxymorons! 
Amazing; simply amazing.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 22:34:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Ricky
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Its there all the plenty, you just need to be a student of it for several years...
Since you claim it is there, maybe you could show us how? No, wait, this is probably just another unsupported assertion. Never mind.
You and radicalism will shoot down any attempe at creationist reason
I'll add that little gem to my list of oxymorons!
Amazing; simply amazing.
You either ride with us or collide with us!!!! lol.... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 22:52:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
You either ride with us or collide with us!!!! lol....
I think that was the alternate tagline for the trucker movie Convoy.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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verlch
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 23:19:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by verlch
You either ride with us or collide with us!!!! lol....
I think that was the alternate tagline for the trucker movie Convoy.
More like Tupac...I was listening to him when I said that!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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