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Chippewa
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USA
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 Posted - 09/22/2004 : 17:04:18
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Thought you might find this interesting. The "Ravens Advanced Progressive Matrices" is a visual IQ test. General results per State were then applied to the 2000 election results.
I don't know how accurate this is or who did it, but it seems to match an intuitive impression, i.e. generally speaking, smart people tend to vote for Democrats.
http://www.boreme.com/bm/MAY04/a/t_iq/jump_fr.htm
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 05:18:45 [Permalink]
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ouch 85 average?
I dont trust the information though, too many possible data manipulation opportunities. |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 05:38:53 [Permalink]
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Texas IQ:92
Hope this will be reduced a bit this fall.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 07:27:52 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippewa
Thought you might find this interesting. The "Ravens Advanced Progressive Matrices" is a visual IQ test. General results per State were then applied to the 2000 election results.
I don't know how accurate this is or who did it, but it seems to match an intuitive impression, i.e. generally speaking, smart people tend to vote for Democrats.
http://www.boreme.com/bm/MAY04/a/t_iq/jump_fr.htm
I smell a political rat or joke.
I note that traditionally Democratic states are higher up than traditionally Republican states. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 14:45:09 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
I smell a political rat or joke.
I note that traditionally Democratic states are higher up than traditionally Republican states.
Dunno, the book the data is from looks real enough. I didn't see the stats broken down by state on a quick look at the pages showing on the Amazon site. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 16:03:57 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
I smell a political rat or joke.
I note that traditionally Democratic states are higher up than traditionally Republican states.
True, but it's tempting given that most of the country's elite universities are in the Northeast and California, while southern states are more traditionally associated with, shall we say, less intellectual pursuits. (This from a guy who grew up in Oklahoma, which rates in the 40's with an IQ average of 90!) |
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
1496 Posts |
Posted - 09/23/2004 : 16:33:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
...given that most of the country's elite universities are in the Northeast and California...
That could be a factor. Its certainly not a "scientific" survay, and there's no explanation on how they actully did it other than using the Ravens results. Its interesting though. |
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Ricky
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/23/2004 : 22:12:44 [Permalink]
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| Well, after reading the reviews and description of the book that website gets it's IQ data from..... I'd be interested to know where they get their IQ data. The conclusions the book claims to reach seem like a load of bologna to me.... which doesn't mean their raw data is bad, just the conclusions. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 09/25/2004 : 01:28:20 [Permalink]
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Well, the definitive answer has been found:
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Lycus from FWIS BB: Heh, jokers and their net hoaxes.
LINK LINK LINK
Darn, I'm so disappointed. But thanks, I'll share the links with the other board. |
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
USA
1496 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 01:47:58 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
...Darn, I'm so disappointed. But thanks, I'll share the links with the other board.
Yeah. Makes me wonder - could an accurate survey of I.Q vs. voting preference actually be done? If so, how? Not sure, but I suspect it would break even. |
Diversity, independence, innovation and imagination are progressive concepts ultimately alien to the conservative mind.
"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.) |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 03:54:20 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippewa
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
...Darn, I'm so disappointed. But thanks, I'll share the links with the other board.
Yeah. Makes me wonder - could an accurate survey of I.Q vs. voting preference actually be done? If so, how? Not sure, but I suspect it would break even.
Well, if this site isn't a hoax, here's the data and someone on FWIS figured out the votes.
This has information on state IQs.
Illinois 104 Gore
New Hampshire 104 Bush
Iowa 103 Gore
Massachusetts 103 Gore
Oregon 103 Gore
Wisconsin 103 Gore
Connecticut 102 Gore
Kansas 102 Bush
Minnesota 102 Gore
Montana 102 Bush
Nebraska 102 Bush
North Dakota 102 Bush
Oklahoma 102 Bush
Vermont 102 Gore
Washington 102 Gore
Alaska 101 Bush
Maryland 101 Gore
Michigan 101 Gore
Missouri 101 Bush
New York 101 Gore
Ohio 101 Bush
Utah 101 Bush
Wyoming 101 Bush
Arizona 100 Bush
California 100 Gore
Idaho 100 Bush
Maine 100 Gore
Nevada 100 Bush
New Jersey 100 Gore
Pennsylvania 100 Gore
Rhode Island 100 Gore
South Dakota 100 Bush
Virginia 100 Bush
West Virginia 100 Bush
Colorado 99 Bush
Delaware 99 Gore
Hawaii 99 Gore
Indiana 99 Bush
Arkansas 98 Bush
Florida 98 Bush
New Mexico 98 Gore
Alabama 97 Bush
Georgia 97 Bush
Kentucky 97 Bush
Louisiana 97 Bush
North Carolina 97 Bush
Tennessee 97 Bush
Texas 97 Bush
Washington, D.C. 95 Gore
Mississippi 94 Bush
South Carolina 94 Bush
Not sure how to make that look pretty, but...
Basically, the average IQ for Bush's states is 99.3, Gore is 100.9
And as has been discussed, IQ measurements are fickle. So do I think this means anything? Nah.[/quote] |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2004 : 04:00:42 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippewa
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
...Darn, I'm so disappointed. But thanks, I'll share the links with the other board.
Yeah. Makes me wonder - could an accurate survey of I.Q vs. voting preference actually be done? If so, how? Not sure, but I suspect it would break even.
Well, if this site isn't a hoax, here's the data and someone on FWIS figured out the votes.
This has information on state IQs.
Illinois--104--Gore
New Hampshire--104--Bush
Iowa--103--Gore
Massachusetts--103--Gore
Oregon--103--Gore
Wisconsin--103--Gore
Connecticut--102--Gore
Kansas--102--Bush
Minnesota--102--Gore
Montana--102--Bush
Nebraska 102 Bush
North Dakota 102 Bush
Oklahoma 102 Bush
Vermont 102 Gore
Washington 102 Gore
Alaska 101 Bush
Maryland 101 Gore
Michigan 101 Gore
Missouri 101 Bush
New York 101 Gore
Ohio 101 Bush
Utah 101 Bush
Wyoming 101 Bush
Arizona 100 Bush
California 100 Gore
Idaho 100 Bush
Maine 100 Gore
Nevada 100 Bush
New Jersey 100 Gore
Pennsylvania 100 Gore
Rhode Island 100 Gore
South Dakota 100 Bush
Virginia 100 Bush
West Virginia 100 Bush
Colorado 99 Bush
Delaware 99 Gore
Hawaii 99 Gore
Indiana 99 Bush
Arkansas 98 Bush
Florida 98 Bush
New Mexico 98 Gore
Alabama 97 Bush
Georgia 97 Bush
Kentucky 97 Bush
Louisiana 97 Bush
North Carolina 97 Bush
Tennessee 97 Bush
Texas 97 Bush
Washington, D.C. 95 Gore
Mississippi 94 Bush
South Carolina 94 Bush
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Not sure how to make that look pretty, but...
Basically, the average IQ for Bush's states is 99.3, Gore is 100.9
And as has been discussed, IQ measurements are fickle. So do I think this means anything? Nah.
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
1613 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2004 : 00:49:11 [Permalink]
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With regard to elections, I'm not especially interested in the IQ of the different states. Not even the IQ of the people who actually vote.
Now the IQ of the candidates on the other hand...
IQ and general knowledge of each candidate should be presented to the voters. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 09/30/2004 : 01:39:31 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Starman
With regard to elections, I'm not especially interested in the IQ of the different states. Not even the IQ of the people who actually vote.
Now the IQ of the candidates on the other hand...
IQ and general knowledge of each candidate should be presented to the voters.
A lot of people say Bush is really smart. I don't believe it myself. He might be shrewd, but I don't think that goes with IQ. He may also be being totally manipulated by the few hawks around him. That's not an indication of a high IQ. |
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