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Plyss
Skeptic Friend
Netherlands
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 Posted - 10/09/2004 : 12:23:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
If memory serves, the Creationist response was that dissimilar creatures displaying similar adaptations is actually indicative of a single creator. Much like a painter or sculptor has a peculiar "style," so too can these similarities be explained as repeating themes within god's work.
If they would wish to argue along that line the Multiple Designer thread at the Panda's Thumb might be relevant to bring up.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 10/09/2004 : 17:47:54 [Permalink]
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Indeed, Mab, convergent evolution is a powerful idea. What's really powerful about is not that things look the same, but the differences between them. After all, why wouldn't a sane "designer" actually drop the same animal into the same ecological niches, no matter where - geographically - they exist?
Way back in this thread I wrote up the Moloch, which lives primarily in sandy areas, eating ants. As do the horned lizards of the American Southwest. But the latter actually have bone in their head spikes, while the moloch's spines are simply skin and flesh. According to Digimorph,Moloch is nevertheless stunningly spiny via dermal armor alone, demonstrating that convergent evolution need not exploit the same mechanisms to achieve a given anatomical endpoint. Why would an intelligent designer re-invent the wheel like this? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2004 : 19:19:46 [Permalink]
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More craziness over at SkepticTimes. tkster now claims that instead of free will being the ability to choose between sin and God, he says that sin precludes free will. In other words, you don't have free will unless Christ is your saviour. I guess "Neo-Mormons" believe something very different than yer ordinary Christian.
Funnier still is jimi saying, "If you post something that's more than 5 or 6 lines, no one will read it." Geez, he's even a moderator over there, and apparently one who bores easily. I guess that pretty much rings the death-knell for the "debate," don't it? |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2004 : 19:53:42 [Permalink]
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[Smacks forehead]
jimi is now saying,Hovind teaches actual science. This claim is false, in many ways, especially given that jimi himself defined science as being "systemized knowledge obtained from observation, study, experimentation, etc."
Thanks to Ricky, for example, we have a great example of Hovind teaching that "natural selection is God's quality control," and that "natural selection causes evolution." The first of which is not something which has been observed, studied, or experimented with (and so isn't science per jimi's definition), and the latter is - at best - a half-truth, since many things cause evolution, and natural selection is just one of them (and so Hovind is leaving out lots of science in attempting to make a point). |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2004 : 22:54:00 [Permalink]
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Tkster has ruled that Mr. Hotwind is a valid scientific source in the debate.
http://skeptictimes.golivewire.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=510&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=39
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Science Articles. Examples would be articles from AiG or something found in Nature Magazine.
Textbooks. Examples would be HBJ or Bob Jones.
Scientists. Examples would be Richard Dawkins or Dr. Hovind.
Journals of Science. Examples would be CRSQ or New England Journal of Science.
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the_ignored
SFN Addict
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Posted - 10/24/2004 : 12:03:21 [Permalink]
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Hi, "mountain hare"!
I see you've posted this at the Internet Infidels site! Excellent. Maybe we can get some of the to come over hear and help out? Or if nothing else, maybe some of us will read the posts over there to get some extra info!
Mind you, the IIDB people don't hold out too much hope for an "unbiased" debate, I wonder why?  |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2004 : 06:39:38 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
Funnier still is jimi saying, "If you post something that's more than 5 or 6 lines, no one will read it." Geez, he's even a moderator over there, and apparently one who bores easily. I guess that pretty much rings the death-knell for the "debate," don't it?
I just saw this. The post jimi was talking about ran a whopping 21 lines over on this thread that you mentioned.
It's amazing. Fortunately, Mab commented on it, but jimi never replied. Perhaps he couldn't concentrate long enough to read the whole thing.
Still, jimi's remark fits in nicely with his debate post (seen here). His post takes up a fraction of what Peptide wrote, and appears to have been something thrown together after only working on it for an hour or so. Doubtless the thought of reading more than a few lines of creationist material was too daunting.
I wonder how he'll answer the Peptide's post if he can't bother to read through the whole thing!
We'll see, I guess.
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Ricky
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