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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 01/29/2002 : 05:54:20 [Permalink]
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Me is here, now! Check yer atomic clocks. A couple of billion years from now, if yas gets into yer time machine, and travels to that moment, at this location, ya will find me. In a galaxy, far, far away, long, long ago, if ya gets into yer time machine, and travels into tha future to that moment and location, there me is, still! In that sense, me will exist for all of enternity.
OT a bit, has anyone else read "And Johnny got his gun?" That story conveyed the most pure horror, me has known from reading. What if we do have an immortal soul. In the billions of years before we are born, with no senses to tell us, how would we know, we is? Have heard stories of near death experiences, where the subject describes the actions of their medical crew to a tee, while they were clinically dead, they "saw" the team working on their own body. Even some blind persons in NDE's, report 'seeing' the same type of thing. If there were someway to prove the validity of these reports, could one infer, that life is then the method, that the soul becomes self aware? 
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2002 : 06:50:57 [Permalink]
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OT a bit, has anyone else read "And Johnny got his gun?" That story conveyed the most pure horror, me has known from reading. What if we do have an immortal soul. In the billions of years before we are born, with no senses to tell us, how would we know, we is? Have heard stories of near death experiences, where the subject describes the actions of their medical crew to a tee, while they were clinically dead, they "saw" the team working on their own body. Even some blind persons in NDE's, report 'seeing' the same type of thing. If there were someway to prove the validity of these reports, could one infer, that life is then the method, that the soul becomes self aware?
I dunno; I have a bit of a problem with the idea that an ethereal soul is supposed to be able to capture and interpret physical energy (photons) as images. That normally requires eyes and neurons. Besides, if the soul can do all that, why do we need this bulky visual system?
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Archistrategos
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Posted - 02/14/2002 : 20:41:30 [Permalink]
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I have my own conception, the collection of everything that makes me what I am, good and bad moments my memories my mind my consciousness my love. It's what makes me feel that uncomfortable pressure in the chest when I see peoples suffering, It's what makes me sing without any apparent reason.
It's what makes me look up at the nightly sky searching for the beauty of those who were long before me, what makes me welcome the soft brees and a good wine, what keeps me there, following my dreams.
Is a little silly but It's my definition
and I don't think that the soul is something eternal and that makes it even more precious.
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Archistrategos
New Member
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Posted - 02/14/2002 : 20:48:28 [Permalink]
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I can see some errors, sorry but I'm still not used to write in english, is so hard some times. 
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/14/2002 : 21:30:28 [Permalink]
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Not to worry, you come across very well.
I think that you must see and experience all that you can in this life. Afterward, there is only non-extance. Not so bad, when you think about it.
"And when I'm dead, and when I'm gone
There'll be one child born to carry on..." Forgotten the name of that song.
That's close enough to immortality.
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A hundred years before the advent of Hitler, the German-Jewish poet, Heinrich Heine, had declared: "Wherever books are burned, human beings are destined to be burned too."
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Bradley
Skeptic Friend
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2002 : 14:41:52 [Permalink]
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Until someone actually defines the term (and a definition is generally agreed upon by its proponents), I am unable to say whether or not "the soul" exists, or whether or not I myself possess one.
I strongly suspect that I don't, and that "the soul" is merely a figment of the human imagination, sired by the fear of death, and dammed by wishful thinking.
"Too much doubt is better than too much credulity."
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 02/15/2002 : 18:27:43 [Permalink]
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"And when I'm dead, and when I'm gone
There'll be one child born to carry on..."
And When I Die by Laura Nyro.
-- Donnie B.
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2002 : 20:20:17 [Permalink]
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I'm still not used to write in english, is so hard some times.
It's a damn slippery language we should all write in Gaelic like decent people.
So which of the many Santa Isabels are you in, It seems to be a popular name to call a place?
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Archistrategos
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Posted - 02/16/2002 : 06:29:49 [Permalink]
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It's a damn slippery language we should all write in Gaelic like decent people.
Sorry, but truly I never had the need to write in english before, not until now.
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So which of the many Santa Isabels are you in, It seems to be a popular name to call a place?
My Santa Isabel was a district called Coamo Abajo from the town of Coamo then in october 5 around 1882, the district separated and then named in honor of the queen Isabel of Spain around the 1493. It is a town in the south side in the island of Puerto Rico and P.R is located in the Caribean ocean, you know, that place were there is an small problem with Vieques and the U.S marina and were that noisy Ricky Martin is from.
Hope that could be enough for that inquisitive mind of yours Slater, you evil and sarcastic skeptic! 
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Archistrategos
New Member
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Posted - 02/16/2002 : 06:42:31 [Permalink]
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Heck!#*&^#@%!!%$^&! I meant in honor of the Queen Isabel of Spain who lived around the 1403!!! 
Shame on me!
By the way, Santa Isabel translate to Holly Isabel.
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Igrokit
New Member
USA
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Posted - 02/26/2002 : 22:26:57 [Permalink]
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Nope, no soul in my book. I am actually pretty surprised that only just over 50% on this board agrees with me on this.
The very fact that people are so obsessed with this idea of a soul is a real mystery to me. One of those zero evidence things, that people persist in believing.
Very odd.
It seems summed up best on this board, as wishful thinking.
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Wolfgang_faust
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 03/13/2002 : 09:24:24 [Permalink]
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I just have to add a little different spin on this, and it may be a bit off topic. I have read most of the wroks and philosophies of Anton LaVey. His belief about "the Afterlife" was similar to what I am hearing here. He believed that to have eternel life you had to do something that would merit remembrance. So people from George Washington to Hitler would be immortalized by their deeds. It gets away from the idea that you have to do "good" things to make it. Of course people like Hitler thought they were doing "good" things. But the fact that they will probably never be forgotten, at least in this way of thinking, made them immortal. So to try and link it to this topic, I guess that your soul could be defined as your Ego. If your Ego is big enough for people to notice it after you have died them that "soul" will live on forever.
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
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Posted - 03/13/2002 : 10:31:42 [Permalink]
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I just have to add a little different spin on this, and it may be a bit off topic. I have read most of the wroks and philosophies of Anton LaVey. His belief about "the Afterlife" was similar to what I am hearing here. He believed that to have eternel life you had to do something that would merit remembrance. So people from George Washington to Hitler would be immortalized by their deeds. It gets away from the idea that you have to do "good" things to make it. Of course people like Hitler thought they were doing "good" things. But the fact that they will probably never be forgotten, at least in this way of thinking, made them immortal. So to try and link it to this topic, I guess that your soul could be defined as your Ego. If your Ego is big enough for people to notice it after you have died them that "soul" will live on forever.
Yes, but people don't remeber what really happend. They have a hard enough time to percieve the reality as it really is. Once a few decades or centuries have passed there will be nothing left but idealized tales with a moral and historical interpretations that always repeat themselves. They won't be anything like the people actually were.
Persons do not go down in history Myths and Legends do.
All that my be left of you is a name and even that will get twisted and transliterated until you would not recognize it yourself.
If it is just about leaving an impact. You could as well have been one of those butterflies that are always causing hurricanes acording to chaos theories. If you think like that then we all leave big and important traces.
You can try to achive immortality through your works. Even if they don't give a complete picture of who you were.
I think the best way to leave something behind is children. A lot of what makes you you can go into a child, from genes to worldviews.
Setting fire to one of the seven worldwonders can make your name go down in history. Blowing up a small tropical island for nuclear testing will tell people that someone was there for a long time. But don't you want people to remeber more of you then your name and something like that you were a "King of kings" and wanted the mighty to despair when looking at your works, whatever they might have been?
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