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Dude
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| To bad..... I was looking forward to reading Jimmi's rebuttal.... heh. It would have been good for a laugh at the least. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 17:38:19 [Permalink]
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| The Skeptic Times forum was down for a while during Sunday afternoon (US time) but it it up and running again. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Dave W.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 20:20:46 [Permalink]
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| Ummmmmm..... Well. Shut my mouth.... |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 20:50:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Well, here is some interesting news. Aside from a formal declaraction of the change in forum direction, tkster is also now "agnostic/atheist" and no longer "a Judeo-Christian" (or was that "Neomormon?").
What!!?? I would have considered this impossible. I guess a tiger really can change its spots. |
"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 21:06:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Well, here is some interesting news. Aside from a formal declaraction of the change in forum direction, tkster is also now "agnostic/atheist" and no longer "a Judeo-Christian" (or was that "Neomormon?").
Uhhhh,  !!! What the fuck?!? I'm amazed. First, he is still convinced that quote:
[the forums]will mainly be the humorous satire that the newsletters have always been.
Perhaps he should look up 'satire' since I fail to see how any of his newsletters are satirical. Note to tkster: creating mock interviews with made-up idiots is not satire.
More amazing, though, is quote:
Yes, I am no longer a Judeo-Christian which I am sure many of you have heard. I have left it for agnosticism/atheism. If you get the Skeptic Times Newsletter, in the fifth edition which we are working on now, there will be an Op-Ed that will explain one of a million reasons for this change.
I think I'm going to subscribe to the newsletter just so I can hear this. How he can go from openly mocking/insulting atheists and other non-Christians to actually being one in the span of a few weeks is certainly something I'd like to hear about...
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 21:13:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
there will be an Op-Ed that will explain one of a million reasons for this change.
I hope at least one of those million reasons was the evidence for evolution and directly or indirectly Peptide's post, though perhaps I am asking for too much.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 22:31:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
I hope at least one of those million reasons was the evidence for evolution and directly or indirectly Peptide's post, though perhaps I am asking for too much.
Of course you are, since acceptance of evolution does not require one to disavow God. Perhaps in tkster's mind it does, which would make sense if your ideas about God are similar to Kent Hovind's (either the Bible is 100% accurate, or God doesn't exist - no middle ground allowed).
No matter what, let's just all hope that tkster hasn't become one of those a-hole atheists that give atheism a bad reputation. If his newsletter starts mocking people just because they've got some sort of religious faith, we'll know that he's gone straight from one extreme to the other, and remained a jerk the entire way.
Speaking of his newsletter, he promised a write-up on how Kevin had "pwned" another evolutionist. Don't think we're ever going to see that. By the way, check the homepage for more. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 23:24:37 [Permalink]
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My $ says he's just changing what he calls himself so he can try to gain some credibility with atheists when he tries to argue against evolution.... "I'm an atheist, but I don't believe evolution is real!"
He's already proven, on multiple occasions, that honesty is not one of his core values.
I will remain highly skeptical of his alleged transition from YEC-fundie to atheist/agnostic (does he even realize there is a difference between atheist and agnostic?).
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/21/2004 : 23:52:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
My $ says he's just changing what he calls himself so he can try to gain some credibility with atheists when he tries to argue against evolution.... "I'm an atheist, but I don't believe evolution is real!"
He's already proven, on multiple occasions, that honesty is not one of his core values.
I will remain highly skeptical of his alleged transition from YEC-fundie to atheist/agnostic (does he even realize there is a difference between atheist and agnostic?).
Your probably right. In his last newsletter 4.2 he writes:
"Oh and our name change. I am sure everyone wants to know why. Well because we have so many people now, we thought we would come up with a name that was easier to spell and say, that way in August we can start advertising in the UD and AJ. Don't worry we're still Creationists!"
Of course, I'm not sure how old that newletter is, yet I agree it seems that somehow tkster would give up god before he would accept evolution.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 11/22/2004 : 06:37:24 [Permalink]
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/22/2004 : 07:32:16 [Permalink]
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| I really can't read those newsletters. After reading for half a minute I want to get up and punch him in the face. I can stand ignorance. What I can't stand is ignorance combined with arrogance. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 11/22/2004 : 10:12:53 [Permalink]
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Siberia:
Well, his girlfriend is atheist (or so she says)... and still has the wild connotation Creation is real. How Creation is real without a god is a mystery.
Actually, she advocates punctuated equilibrium as opposed to slow and steady change. Of course, she doesn't seem to understand that Gould never suggested that mechanisms for evolution were mutually exclusive. She presented a rather weird case for the exclusion of gradual natural selection. But all in all, she seems to be ok with the idea that evolution happens. She even offered to debate Jimi on the subject. I did not get that she is a creationist.
As for tk and his agnostic/atheism, I am going to wait and see how this change in thinking manifests itself. Guess I'm saying that with all of the weirdness not withstanding, right now, I'm inclined give him the benefit of the doubt...
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13481 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2004 : 11:23:00 [Permalink]
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Ricky:
I actually heard Richard Dawkins talking about this only yesterday. What she is actually talking about is not punctuated equilibrium but what he described as, "Instantaneous macroevolution."
Well, that explains the weirdness of the case she thought she made... |
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