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Dave W.
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 Posted - 11/22/2004 : 20:29:36 [Permalink]
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Ricky wrote:quote:
He claims to only appear to have a strong Christian stance because he was the administrator and in his mind the administrator must be firm (I have no idea on the validity of this, maybe a mod or admin here would like to comment?).
Well, aside from tkster's correction of this impression, I'd have to say that the "firmness" of the forum staff depends largely upon the forum. We're fairly laid back here right now, but if the active membership rises (as we hope), we may have to change that, but only as far as we need to.
And tkster: regardless of your views - theist or atheist - you've been welcome here ever since you signed up. Disagreements, even passionate ones, do not constitute "disruption" in a forum, unless the forum's goal is some sort of "peace, love and happiness" thing. On the other hand, I'd have to say that most of our members thrive upon informal "debates." |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/22/2004 : 21:05:57 [Permalink]
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Well, slack shall be given then....
It's going to take more than a little convincing to convince me that anyone who authored a site a blatantly dishonest as the SkepticTimes is actually capable of changing their minds and accepting empirical evidence though.
But that's just me.
I'll also add that regardless of your opinion/beliefs/views tk, I'd (and most here probably would also) always welcome you to post here. (pffft.... that comes off to much like I have the authority to tell anyone to get lost, which I don't, just can't think of a better way to say it) Just be prepared to back up claims, and whatnot. Most people here will demand critical thinking and evidence for any and all claims.
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Ricky
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/22/2004 : 23:12:05 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
I'm pretty sure its safe to say that Dave and Dude speak for all of us in those last to posts.
Indeed. tkster's announcment puts activities here, at Skeptic Times, and elsewhere in a new light. Though I still regard some of the behaviour at Skeptic Times as dishonest, at least we now have a possible reason for it being so.
Time will tell what's what and if it holds, and I'd like to believe that I can change my mind. The rest is up to tkster. |
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filthy
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 02:54:04 [Permalink]
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Ok, sure. Why not?
Welcome again to SFN, tkster.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 07:03:50 [Permalink]
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| OK, so I have just one small little question for tkster: Is Jimi ever going to rebutt Peptide's post or what? I'm really curious how he deals with some of this. Or is Jimi, too, re-thinking his creationist stance? |
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Siberia
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 07:29:59 [Permalink]
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Ok. I'll keep my paranoia to myself.
Welcome back, TK boy. Nice to have you here! |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 12:47:29 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by tkster
In all honesty, don't believe a word I say because it makes no difference. If I am playing a game, I can't gain anything ANYWAY. People change, it happens, what can I say. I didn't change overnight, I've had my doubts for a while now, but I kept them secret. Everyone does, and those secrets burst. That is what happened.
So don't believe me, it makes no difference to me. I am what I am whether you think so or not.
Edit - Besides the fact that it wouldn't be very skeptical to accept everything I say just because I say it right?
take care,
tk
tkster, welcome back.
I'm a bit curious as to why you have changed from a theist to an athiest. I hope it doesn't have to do with acceptance of evolution but rather the conclusion to a spiritual journey which answered some questions as the two are wholly unrelated.
Accepting evolution is one thing, supported by evidence. Theism/atheism is a philisophical change, and while definately possible, is unlikely due to various unconscious psychological needs inherent to theism. (Needs not present in atheists, so atheism is the most logical philosophy.)
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, here. I sincerely hope it is not misplaced. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 13:19:12 [Permalink]
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If you are sincere, welcome to the wonderful world of empirical evidence, where no data is ignored. (hopefully most of the time)
Also if you are sincere, forgive us we dont actually know what to do when people change, because its so rare... |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 13:35:34 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Ricky
Not to but in, but tkster has said before that Jimi is working on the rebuttal and that he has seen parts of it. tkster has said before that he will post, but he has no idea when.
And tkster also said that rebuttals should take less time than the introductory posts. No matter what a person thinks of tkster, I believe his reputation is harmed by jimi's debate procrastination (and kevkev's whimsical bannings). The actions (and inaction) of his chosen underlings doesn't reflect well.
And, there's also the fact that tkster implies that he's going to be revamping his forums this very weekend, which means either that the debate thread is going to go bye-bye (in which case jimi is free to post his rebuttal here), or he's going to have old threads hanging around his new forums, which is just going to look sloppy. One might hope he could "poke" jimi into finishing up in the next couple of days, but it's possible jimi's already gone for vacation or whatever. |
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/23/2004 : 14:31:44 [Permalink]
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Actually Dave the forums already have a new look, however, it won't be officially changed until the logo is different. Either way, in my mind Jimi has a limited time. If he doesn't finish by a certain time frame when I'll have this done, Peptide wins by default.
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I'm a bit curious as to why you have changed from a theist to an athiest. I hope it doesn't have to do with acceptance of evolution but rather the conclusion to a spiritual journey which answered some questions as the two are wholly unrelated.
Accepting evolution is one thing, supported by evidence. Theism/atheism is a philisophical change, and while definately possible, is unlikely due to various unconscious psychological needs inherent to theism. (Needs not present in atheists, so atheism is the most logical philosophy.)
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, here. I sincerely hope it is not misplaced.
Let me just say I'll be on IG hopefully this weekend. I'll try to answer these issues then, I have CTS and prefer not typing them out. Anyhow, after that program if you still have further questions you can ask. That way people can hear where I am coming from. From what I know it is Friday at 7 PM Central Time, and I am crossing my fingers to get off.
take care,
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Dave W.
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 10:22:37 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
Crap. IG charges for access to the archived shows. At least, this page makes it sound like you were on the show, tkster, but it's written in future tense. Kinda strange.
Any chance there is (or will be) a free transcript somewhere?
What I plan to do is take out the segment where I was in and allow people to download that temp. just to hear what I had to say.
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