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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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The cover of National Geographic was a bit of a surprise this month with the title, "Was Darwin Wrong". Then you open to the article and it answers, "No". I got a kick out of it. They say what I've been saying, (and I'm sure most of you as well), that there is overwhelming evidence for evolution and it's time to start saying so.
http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0411/feature1/index.html
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 02:10:22 [Permalink]
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Heh, I suspect that since the Archoraptor oopsy, NG has found the value of having a sense of humor. 
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 04:20:00 [Permalink]
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hehe, I bet their selling to fundies have increased this month  |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 09:59:26 [Permalink]
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| Actually, Darwin was wrong in some small ways, but he didn't know about genetics and other fun stuff like that. Today's evolutionary biologists are not "Darwinists" for that reason, and creationists attacking strictly Darwinian evolution are creating bits of strawmen to rip apart (since the idea is that evolutionary science hasn't changed in 145 years). |
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 17:43:34 [Permalink]
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Darwin gave us a great start in our understanding of evolution. Science progresses by making adjustments to previous theories. Of course, there are those sillies who would deny Darwin. Once in awhile they (creationists, et al.) visit this sight with their cute little strange ideas about evolution.
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"Innumerable suns exist; innumerable earths revolve about these suns in a manner similar to the way the seven planets revolve around our sun. Living beings inhabit these worlds."
Giordano Bruno
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verlch
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 19:50:14 [Permalink]
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| Does evolution ever make mistakes? Who set its boundries? How did evolution think to invent man in his present form? Too many questions and not enough years in a life to answer them! Again you haven't answered how there can be 6 billion people and all of them with different finger prints, voices, smells and DNA! So if there are an unlimited amount of people in this world, they all would be different? Have different fingerprints, voices and smells? All this designed by a brain dead mother nature? Chaos breeds chaos. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 20:10:28 [Permalink]
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I have had a bit to drink tonight, so I needs be breif.
Evolution does not think. Your own body is a prime example of that statment. It has an appendix on your large intestine that can kill you at an early age, knees and spine that were fine for a quadraped but easily cripple us, and a totaly useless 'tail bone' that is a remenant from an ancient ancestor. Evolution, like any mechanic, uses whatever is lying around the shop to start building a species.
If asked, I will go into greater detail. Tomorrow.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 21:00:37 [Permalink]
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| All that pondwater is going to give you mecury poisoning verlch.... or, maybe it already has. Would explain your obvious irrationality. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 22:02:58 [Permalink]
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Does evolution ever make mistakes?
Evolution is not an entity. Do animals evolve that don't survive - yes. Are there mutations that kill - yes.
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Who set its boundries?
The environment sets the boundries.
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How did evolution think to invent man in his present form?
Evolution is not an entity so it cannot think. Evolution is a natural process. Man is in his present form because our ancestors evolved and survived.
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Too many questions and not enough years in a life to answer them! Again you haven't answered how there can be 6 billion people and all of them with different finger prints, voices, smells and DNA!
The DNA molecule is a very complicated and intricate molecule. Very slight changes in the molecule can have profound effect on an organism. Even twins that are essentially clones (identical DNA) are different.
Have you ever heard that no 2 snowflakes are the same? Why in the world would you think that incredibly complicated organisms like humans would not all be different?
Edited to make my sentences coherent - but I'm too tired to care - so the hell with it.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 22:11:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Does evolution ever make mistakes?
Please define mistake, in a biological perspective...
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Who set its boundries?
The laws of nature does. Physics and chemistry, you know.
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How did evolution think to invent man in his present form?
Thinking that evolution has a personality or a purpose is an error of your part. You are mistaken.
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Too many questions and not enough years in a life to answer them!
As long as you're asking the wrong question, you won't get the right answer.
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Again you haven't answered how there can be 6 billion people and all of them with different finger prints, voices, smells and DNA!
That's because you were probably not listening.
How much mathematics do you know?
Humans have 3 billion base pairs in our DNA. Each of these base pairs can have 4 different states. That means (3x10^9) to the power of four possible combinations. 3'000'000'000^4 combinations.
Almost 99.9% (from the link above) are the same between individual humans. That means the difference is a just above 0.1%. So only 0.1% of the base pairs are different. That leaves 3 million base-pairs that differ between humans. But they still have 4 different nucleotides per base pair.
3'000'000 to the power of four makes 8x10^25. That's almost a hundred million billion billions of different people without a single one having identical DNA. Note that we are not counting identical twins here.
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So if there are an unlimited amount of people in this world, they all would be different?
Well, there can't be an unlimited amount of different people by the strictest of definitions. But for all practical purposes, I think that with a hundred million billion billions of different people we can think of them as unlimited.
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Have different fingerprints, voices and smells?
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All this designed by a brain dead mother nature?
That's what the rules (laws of nature) says. It could quite possibly be that God designed the laws of nature with this in mind. But that is something that is only speculation on my part.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 10/27/2004 : 06:08:43 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
Does evolution ever make mistakes? Who set its boundries? How did evolution think to invent man in his present form? Too many questions and not enough years in a life to answer them! Again you haven't answered how there can be 6 billion people and all of them with different finger prints, voices, smells and DNA! So if there are an unlimited amount of people in this world, they all would be different? Have different fingerprints, voices and smells? All this designed by a brain dead mother nature? Chaos breeds chaos.
As evolution is not an entity, it cannot make mistakes or design creatures. It is the fact that species change over time and a theory of the mechanism of change. Evolution is a set of concepts, not an intelligent entity.
No two rats are exactly the same either, what is your point?
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