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filthy
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Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished From Site in Iraq
By JAMES GLANZ, WILLIAM J. BROAD and DAVID E. SANGER
Published: October 25, 2004
his article was reported and written by James Glanz, William J. Broad and David E. Sanger.
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 24 - The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives - used to demolish buildings, make missile warheads and detonate nuclear weapons - are missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/25/international/middleeast/25bomb.html
More incompentence! 
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Ricky
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filthy
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 Posted - 10/25/2004 : 03:43:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
If its incompentence, I'm sure Bush is somehow to blame  .
How exactly secure can "one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations" be?
The thing is that virtually everybody involved not only knew about the explosives in this complex, but practally had the inventory. The clowns running this war were too busy wondering why there were no flowers and Iraqis dancing in the streets to immedeatly secure it.
And this boom is some beautiful stuff. If I've read it right, it's mostly compositions and PETN; all of which go at somewhere between 24,000 to 26,000 + feet per second. It is what is used in shaped charges. The PETN, 26,500 fps, if memory serves me, is mostly used in PrimaCord.
No wonder there are so many car and road bombs going off in Iraq.
Three hundred and eighty fucking tons! Stupid, stupid, stupid!
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 06:29:14 [Permalink]
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| I think they were too busy 'shocking and awe-ing' to secure this, good news is it will probably cost Bush the election...'What about the 760,000 pounds of missing high-explosives, the UN warned you to protect mr. Bush?' |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 07:18:48 [Permalink]
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| No. It was Saddam's fault. If the U.S. wasn't forced to illegally attack Iraq, then Saddam would have been in control of them instead of somebody incomptent. |
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chaloobi
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 07:23:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
I think they were too busy 'shocking and awe-ing' to secure this, good news is it will probably cost Bush the election...'What about the 760,000 pounds of missing high-explosives, the UN warned you to protect mr. Bush?'
Cost Bush the election? Don't kid yourself. What's one more layer of of deceit in his cloak of lies? He's not going to let a little thing like another incompetant blunder get in the way of his getting a second term of grinding our nation into the fucking dirt. |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 07:43:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
Cost Bush the election? Don't kid yourself. What's one more layer of of deceit in his cloak of lies? He's not going to let a little thing like another incompetant blunder get in the way of his getting a second term of grinding our nation into the fucking dirt.
Fortunately, other papers are picking up on the story. In today's Miami Herald (major paper in a swing state!), they run the story, followed by election coverage featuring the headline "Bush: I'm best Candidate
to protect U.S." Right.
I wonder: which do you think we'll find first? The WMD's or the 300+ tons of missing explosives? Hmmmmm... |
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filthy
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 11:55:12 [Permalink]
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Great minds think alike.......
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10/25/2004
In Any Reasonable Democracy, the Fuckin' Camel's Back Should Be Broken:
Oh, those heady days of early 2003, when the majority of the nation was all a-twitter about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction and terrorists, oh, my. When we were told, Joe McCarthy-style, that there were hundreds, yea, hundreds of sites that needed to be checked for those ol' vials of botulism and those cannisters of nerve gas. God, what a pussy you had to be back then, so, so long ago, to believe that Iraq didn't have them. You may as well have said you squat to pee if you dared to say that United Nations weapons inspections should continue. And the International Atomic Energy Agency? With their suspiciously Arab-sounding leader? Fuck, all they were saying was that Iraq didn't have nuclear weapons, but fuck them, those fuckin' wimps - fuckin' Dick Motherfuckin' Cheney knew better.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
But, as we all know, toppling dangerous and horrible statues is far more important than securing li'l explosive dumps that everybody knows about already. Where's the heroic photo op in that?
Ah, composition explosives! I set off a fair amount of it when I was in the service. Lovely stuff. Y'know, a mere 1/2 pound, or less, could make a shrapnel bomb that would take the joy out of the day for a mulitude. The survivors would have wounds that would turn an experienced trauma nurse queasy.
And they made off with 380 tons! Brothers and sisters, that's some ugly math.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 15:22:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I wonder: which do you think we'll find first? The WMD's or the 300+ tons of missing explosives? Hmmmmm...
Depends. Will they recognize the 300+ tons of missing explosives when it goes boom about everywhere? Or the non-existent WMD's when they actually materialise out of LaLaLand?
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/28/2004 : 11:08:02 [Permalink]
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| Im sure Bush will escalate this to a ground war in asia if he wins. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/28/2004 : 13:02:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
These may bring doubts to who is responsible for those explosives missing.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
"John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad."
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/26/223708.shtml
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/27/112045.shtml
Watch the NBC report.
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/nytrogate.html
Yes, yes. I've read about that.
Unfortunatly, these items were inventoried and locked down by UN inspectors. Later, during the invasion, American troops broke the locks off the doors and looked before moving on. They had no orders to secure it.
Further, I recall no reports of Russians being on the ground in Iraq prior to the invasion, or even hanging out on the sidelines.
It takes a lot of effort to move 380 tons of anything. If Pooty-Poot's minions had done it, it would have been done quickly and the activity would have been obvious to anyone smart enough to look. If the Iraqis had done it, piecemeal, not so obvious. And I rather doubt the Russians would simply hand all that good shit over to a handful of murderous barbarians. All too much of it might wind up in Chechnea, if I've spelled that right.
No, this one lands on the doorstep of the administration and the commanders of the invasion, whether or not the Russians had a hand in it. Cretins!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/28/2004 : 13:11:27 [Permalink]
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| Three employees of the facility were quoted saying that the looting was only done after the fall of Baghdad, including locals renting trucks to looters. I also find it hard to believe that Russian Special Forces were helping them hide explosives, then again Putin has reverted to dictatorship so who knows, either way its bad for Bush so im glad. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Starman
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Posted - 10/29/2004 : 03:33:36 [Permalink]
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Rudy Giuliani seems to have lost it completely.
From:
http://www.democrats.org/news/200410280001.html
"No matter how you try to blame it on the president the actual responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there. Did they search carefully enough? Didn't they search carefully enough?"
(Rudy Giuliani on the Today Show, 10/28/04)
So the buck stoped with the troops?
I hope this statement will haunt Giulianis future career.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 10/29/2004 : 06:12:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
These may bring doubts to who is responsible for those explosives missing.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm
"John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad."
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/26/223708.shtml
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/27/112045.shtml
Watch the NBC report.
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/nytrogate.html
And this from an administration that blamed the existance of night vision goggles in Iraq on France, Russia, and Syria in turn as they came out objecting to the war. The same administration that claimed that all Saddam's WMD's had been spirited away to Syria.
This administrations truth quotient is damn near nil. When the unidentified source gets off it's dead ass and shows conclusive proof that the Ruskies stole 380 tons of kaboomite, I'll seriously consider the possibility. Until then, this is yet another bullshit "It's dissenters fault" claim. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/29/2004 : 06:56:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Starman
Rudy Giuliani seems to have lost it completely.
From:
http://www.democrats.org/news/200410280001.html
"No matter how you try to blame it on the president the actual responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there. Did they search carefully enough? Didn't they search carefully enough?"
(Rudy Giuliani on the Today Show, 10/28/04)
So the buck stoped with the troops?
I hope this statement will haunt Giulianis future career.
No, no, no, NO!!
The responsibility lands squarely on Bush's desk. It is his further responsibility to see that the inept commanders involved, starting with Rumsfeld, are disiplined. Don't try to lay this one entirely on the grunts and low-ranking oficers, as was done in the prison torture cases, Rudy. That shit won't float any more.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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