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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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 Posted - 11/20/2004 : 19:26:10
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/comment/story/0,14259,1355381,00.html
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There is a defining moment in the life of every news organisation that marks a coming of age. In the case of CNN it was the opening bombardment of the first Gulf war. The upstart cable channel went live to Peter Arnett in Baghdad, while the traditional broadcast networks could only watch from their New York studios in shock and awe.
In the case of the Manchester Guardian, it was the day in 1959 when the paper reached beyond its Mancunian roots to become a national newspaper. And in the case of The 700 Club, Pat Robertson's daily evangelical news broadcast, it was November 3 2004. The day it became clear that George Bush had won a second term.
This day formally marked the transformation of The 700 Club. No longer could it be viewed as an outlet of relevance only to the loony Christian right. Not only did it join the ranks of the mainstream media. In many ways it supplanted them. Suddenly, if you seriously wanted to take the pulse of America, you had to tune your TV to the news division of televangelism.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Wendy
SFN Regular
USA
614 Posts |
 Posted - 11/24/2004 : 18:57:30 [Permalink]
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Here's the part that got me:
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Robertson's show regularly has more viewers than CNN.
That explains a lot. |
Millions long for immortality who don't know what to do on a rainy afternoon.
-- Susan Ertz
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 11/25/2004 : 04:31:10 [Permalink]
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I listen to a few minutes of the show when the Daily show is a re-run. They report on news from the Christian Science Monitor. But then it trails off into preachy testimonials. Robertson is hard to take though. He's like Jerry Falwell with his sickly giddiness about the 'wonderful lord'.
I don't believe either FOX or the 700 club's claims of popularity. The numbers could be totally made up. Or they could be counting people like me who listen to a few minutes here or there until I get so disgusted and turn it off. FOX actually has less commercials than CNN and I am a rabid channel surfer when any commercial comes on so I end up on FOX more often than I would if the choices were equal. |
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verlch
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Posted - 11/29/2004 : 12:39:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Wendy
Here's the part that got me:
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Robertson's show regularly has more viewers than CNN.
That explains a lot.
What possible problem can you have with Christians? Looney Christians at that....Christians that do not want to believe in radical evolution? And we are looney? Evolution has come apart at its seems! It's been asked to do 'way' to much! So pick up the peices and find some 'solid' proof before you mock a way of life by the masses. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 11/29/2004 : 13:23:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
So pick up the peices and find some 'solid' proof before you mock a way of life by the masses.
Right back atchya. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/29/2004 : 13:23:24 [Permalink]
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If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell
I had a student ask me, "Could the savior you believe in save Osama bin Laden?" Of course, we know the blood of Jesus Christ can save him, and then he must be executed.
The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible,without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc.
-- Jerry Falwell, Finding Inner Peace and Strength
Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan.
-- Rev. Jerry Falwell
U.S. Constitution: For Christians Only
The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, December 30, 1981
When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. "What do you mean?" the media challenged me. "You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?" My simple answer is, "Yes, they are."
-- Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 218
Why Hundus and Muslims Cannot Govern
If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality.... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their suffering.... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if they were ever put into practice.
-- Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 219
Christians Are Just -- Better People
I think patriotism, love of God, love of country, support of the traditional family. They [Christians] believe it would be good for our country if families were closer together.... I think they feel about them more strongly than others do.
-- Pat Robertson, speaking at a rally in Lansing, Michigan, in 1986, having been asked if there are some issues Christians feel more strongly about that non-Christians
But Only Certain Kinds of Christians
You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 14, 1991
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Verlch, these people hate other christians who dont think like them, You would certainly qualify, not to mention non-christians. These are the people you are bringing to power, and if you dont see 'crazy' in these statements then we can schedule a 20 foot bus to your residence. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/29/2004 : 13:46:43 [Permalink]
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What possible problem can you have with Christians? Looney Christians at that....Christians that do not want to believe in radical evolution? And we are looney? Evolution has come apart at its seems! It's been asked to do 'way' to much! So pick up the peices and find some 'solid' proof before you mock a way of life by the masses.
I have no problem with religious people of any stripe. Hell, I get along pretty well even with Christians.
I do not consider Robertson or Falwell righteous Christians. They are no more than the usual sort of corrupt hypocrits who pursue their own adgendas, the public and their congregation's be damned beyond the contents of their purses or the power of their offices. In short: sanctimonous scumbags.
As for evolution, you have yet to demonstrate that it's seams are anything but tightly sewn. You make bold statments about it without the least shread of emperical support. In short: mindless blather.
C'mon verlch, don't you think it's time to start doing a little better than this?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Wendy
SFN Regular
USA
614 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2004 : 09:03:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
What possible problem can you have with Christians?
I don't have a problem with Christians, verlch. All three of my children are Christians, and I take them to church any time they wish to go. I also allow and encourage them to go with friends of different faiths whenever possible. I do this, because as a parent, it would be easy for me to instill my own beliefs (of lack thereof) in my children. They are a captive audience. I want them to grow up always thinking for themselves. In order to do that they need as much information as possible from as many sources as possible.
What I do have a problem with is people who do not question the things they are told. People who accept the easy answer, even when it does not make sense. What kind of all powerful being would require worship from His creation? It does not make sense. What kind of loving father would require the suffering and death of His only Son in order to forgive His creation that was predestined to disappoint Him? It does not make sense.
If you come here hoping to save our souls, then thank you. I appreciate the thought. If we can open (not change) your mind even a little bit in exchange, I personally would think it all worthwhile. |
Millions long for immortality who don't know what to do on a rainy afternoon.
-- Susan Ertz
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