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Lets leave religion out of the phenomenon. Lets talk about the natural energy of our body energy that when we die gets dispersed. Maybe in this lies our evidence for what is termed ghostly phenomenon.
C'mon Filthy not all these websites all these investigations, EVP, photography, video, surely not all are shams, falseties. Don't be sucked into debunking. Critical thought and open minds are some of the best tools to start with.
Ghost investigation has involved into much more than Ancedote although it started with that or did it? Did it start with the phenomenon and then the ancedote? Which came first the chicken or the egg? |
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 09:31:31 [Permalink]
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| The egg did. |
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 10:08:43 [Permalink]
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What is your interpertation of your statement?  |
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 11:36:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
The egg did, he is correct. The egg first appeard in reptiles which came before birds.
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 11:38:44 [Permalink]
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Lets leave religion out of the phenomenon. Lets talk about the natural energy of our body energy that when we die gets dispersed. Maybe in this lies our evidence for what is termed ghostly phenomenon.
What you fail to realize is that energy is always dispersed when a person is alive. When a person dies, they are no longer transferring matter into energy, so energy no longer becomes dispersed. You talk as if when someone dies energy suddenly gets realized which is the opposite of what actually happens.
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C'mon Filthy not all these websites all these investigations, EVP, photography, video, surely not all are shams, falseties. Don't be sucked into debunking. Critical thought and open minds are some of the best tools to start with.
I actually realized this last night while trying to fall asleep. You start out with the premise that it exists to come to the conclusion that it exists. From the above:
1.) Surely not all evidence for the paranormal (or whatever you are talking about) is false.
2.) Therefore it exists.
That is your line of reasoning. However you, fail to mention one very important part. In order for 1 to be true, it must exist in the first place. If it doesn't exist, then 1 is false and so is 2. What you are really saying is:
1.) Based on the premise that the paranormal exists
2.) Not all evidence for it is false.
3.) Therefore the paranormal exists.
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Ghost investigation has involved into much more than Ancedote although it started with that or did it? Did it start with the phenomenon and then the ancedote?
Do you know the answers to these questions? You have yet to show any non-anecdotal evidence and to my knowledge there isn't any. You seem to think that there is. I must have missed it when I did my research. Can you tell me what this is?
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 11:49:12 [Permalink]
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I prefer to say "The egg is chicken, they were never differnt entities, just perceived that way."
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 12:11:35 [Permalink]
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| Explain more !!1 please Papa |
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 12:44:10 [Permalink]
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Yes I do Ricky but I must break for a short while and in about an hour or so I will reply. I also want to take time to Contemplate waht you wrote. |
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 12:51:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
Lets leave religion out of the phenomenon. Lets talk about the natural energy of our body energy that when we die gets dispersed. Maybe in this lies our evidence for what is termed ghostly phenomenon.
C'mon Filthy not all these websites all these investigations, EVP, photography, video, surely not all are shams, falseties. Don't be sucked into debunking. Critical thought and open minds are some of the best tools to start with.
Ghost investigation has involved into much more than Ancedote although it started with that or did it? Did it start with the phenomenon and then the ancedote? Which came first the chicken or the egg?
My mind is so open there is a draft going through my skull, but not so open that I am going to get blind and stupid. You gotta ghost? Produce it, or at least solid evidence thereof.
The egg came long before even the reptiles, indeed, before any foot ever trod upon the land.
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 12:51:53 [Permalink]
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It is the uniqness of the energy of the human and animal that we can see what is labeled ghostly phenomenon. Maybe it is consciousness. For other souces of energy do not have consciousness. So maybe it is bits and pieces that are released at the time of death. If you look at your classifications of ghosts you will see those bits and pieces.
I must go and take my daughter to work will return.
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Posted - 12/06/2004 : 12:55:30 [Permalink]
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| I have no proof. i am only opening the critical thinking of the possibilities based on numerous stories, studies and dare if I say it Ancedotes. Lets drop any anger and move on. We are all to smart to fall into a rut |
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