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Storm
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 Posted - 12/07/2004 : 21:06:06 [Permalink]
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Speaking of Anomolies I am watching one of my favorite movies Edward Scissor Hands. Not only that it was filmed very close to home. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 05:26:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
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Did you know that the First Vampire was Lilith Adams first wife? How Verlchian does that sound
Quite.
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Anyway Lilith had a problem, she always wanted to be on top during her and Adams love making but God disagreed with that {Don't ya hate that} So Lillith became a vampire and Then we have subservant Eve.
OK, I'll bite (hehe), where did you get this story?
This might give you a good idea. It's a site made by a friend of mine who calls herself Lilith (heh), but I've done a little research and other sites (such as Pantheon.org) seem to agree with her description. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 05:39:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
But then you have eyewitness if not physical evidence in dead cattle and goats of the south american chupacabra.
Hey, did y'know the first sighting of the infamous chubacabra was pretty damn near my place? Yes ma'am, I live in woo woo country itself. No evidence found of anything unusual - feral dogs and guarį wolves (I'm sure they've an english name I'm not familiar with) as well as many other predators that inhabit our extremely prolific tropical forests and occasionaly wander off to godforsaken settlements took the blame. Pretty boring, normal stuff, heh? |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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furshur
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 08:31:59 [Permalink]
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Siberia, Guarį Wolves are called Maned Wolves in english. I thought they primarily inhabited open country and not forests, not sure if I am remebering that right or not.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 09:02:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
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Did you know that the First Vampire was Lilith Adams first wife? How Verlchian does that sound
Quite.
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Anyway Lilith had a problem, she always wanted to be on top during her and Adams love making but God disagreed with that {Don't ya hate that} So Lillith became a vampire and Then we have subservant Eve.
OK, I'll bite (hehe), where did you get this story?
Ooooooo! Ooooooo! I know this one.
This is a common folklore of neo-Vamps. Some suggest that Cain was the first vampire, but the Queen of Spiders works just as well.
This concept was thrust into the mainstream by the RPG Vampire: The Masquerade. And the story isn't about sexual position, it was about Lilith wanting to be superior or equal of men. It's more symbolic of Christianity's work to eradicate the old religions.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 09:43:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
Siberia, Guarį Wolves are called Maned Wolves in english. I thought they primarily inhabited open country and not forests, not sure if I am remebering that right or not.
I wasn't sure either, so I looked it up.
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Habitat: Maned wolves live in the South American grasslands and scrub forests of Brazil, northern Argentina, Paraguay, eastern Bolivia and southeastern Peru.
An interesting animal that I've never read much about. But then, SA is full of those. So many and so little time........
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Dude
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 10:58:01 [Permalink]
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Hey, did y'know the first sighting of the infamous chubacabra was pretty damn near my place?
One of the morning radio shows here used to have a running bit about the "chubacabra", of course it involved a couple of Deliverance style hillbillies and their search for the "critter".... who actually was their cousin dressed up in some costume running around "sucking goats".
Was hilarious.
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 12/08/2004 : 12:41:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
Siberia, Guarį Wolves are called Maned Wolves in english. I thought they primarily inhabited open country and not forests, not sure if I am remebering that right or not.
Ahh, yeah, I discovered that a little later (when I got my bum off the computer and onto a dictionary). Thanks!  Yep, shrub forests and open grasslands. I don't know what made me think forest. They usually don't predate large animals, but who knows what's up to animals nearby human settlements.
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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furshur
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 06:36:00 [Permalink]
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Filthy, good site thanks for doing the follow through that I was too lazy to do. Did you notice from the site this gem:
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Cultural Importance: The maned wolf is believed to have supernatural and medicinal powers. The right eye is said to bring luck with gambling. It is also thought that a necklace with a maned wolf tooth worn by children prevents future dental problems.
This is some of Storms woo-woo science at work, helping to eradicate a species.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 06:48:53 [Permalink]
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I had already known that the species was in decline, as are a great many mammals, but hadn't known about the superstitions surrounding it.
Of course many of these asinine beliefs probably go back to way before the European invasion of South American, reaching modern, 'enlightened' times with only modest changes. Sad.
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Storm
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 15:49:59 [Permalink]
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Do we not have anomolies in this world? Look at someone like the elephant man, dwarfs, midgets, giants. Man has expiremented on the animal species for a long time. Many chemical plants were leaked into rivers and grounds sontaminating the environment. You see the rampant increase in cancer. So maybe we such anomolies. Anomolies that are located in remote areas. The forest of the pacific midwest the mountians of age the swamp of ocheechenobie. Many of these places are uncharted man has not infiltrated except at certain times and it is here we find these creatures.
To say we have no evidence here and there that been evidence. The patterson film is so controversial one does not know to think and I guess we will never know. But to say that the creature that has been labeled Sasquatch by the Indians and Yeti by the Asian does not exist is disput minimal evidence that has been documented. Casts, hair, etc have been found. Let us not forget that we once thought the great panda did not exist despite the anecdote sightings of the indiginious peoples.
Siberia I watched a show on the chupacabra the other night it was very intersting. It was in South America. What I found interesting was that the indigineous people believed it lived in the caves. But the investigator said no. He stated that it is because of influence of demions that they think it lives there. He never went to investigate. I though maybe there is this Anomoly or mutant that lives in the cave an animal? Hence maybe the wide red eyes indicitive of the description of the chupacabra? |
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filthy
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 17:46:26 [Permalink]
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Before we concede the existance of these creatures, let us ask a few questions. First, we must assume a population; if there is only one of each, we are talking immortality and that is far outside the realm of science.
A: Are there enough resources within the assumed range to support to support a population of the creatures, taking in to consideration the competition they'd have from known wildlife, depending upon their diet?
B: If there is a population, and the area is under almost constant observation, as are virtually all of our forests, and I myself have spent a great deal of time deep in the Okefenokee and Dismal Swamps, and not a little in the Everglades, why have not remains of these animals been found? A population would leave corpses, or at least skeletal evidence. The rotting carcass of Nessie has never washed up on the shores of Loch Ness.
C: If there has been scat, casts of prints, and hair discovered that can't be identified as from a known animal, why has only the popular press reported it, and often as mere filler material? The zoologists should be all over it, and they are not.
And so forth.
Now, there are new species being discovered virtually every day, notably insects and aracnids, and sea creatures such as those inhabiting deep-sea, volcanic vents. There was one expedition to the Amazon Basin I read of that found so many unknown arthropods and small vertebrates that they were naming them after each other, friends and family, and even ex-spouses (and boy howdy, wouldn't I love to have been on that one! Just think; a tick named... never mind  ).
It is too often assumed that the people indigenous to an area know all about the wildlife there. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They have just as many myths and legends as we do. For example, I think I read that you live in Florida. Tell me what you know about the cottonmouth, or water moccasin if you prefer, the stories you've been told about this serpent and so forth, then I will tell you what is real. It is much more interesting than the yarns.
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Storm
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 18:06:14 [Permalink]
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I have not heard much in reference to folklore but I know both venemous snakes reside in this state. That is why my children do not swim in lakes here. Between the water moccassions and the alligators I"ll stick to the lanai and pool
What if these places are so remote that bones are just not found ?
What if these sightings are just a glimpse of a different realm
where the door opens during certain times indicitive to atmospheric conditions?
Were we not once trying to experiment in time travel.
The population thing I suppose would pose an issue. But not a terrible one.
Things are being discovered everyday.
So tell me filthy the interesting part since you are the only one who finds me interesting. Other than of course myself |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 18:23:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
What if these sightings are just a glimpse of a different realm
where the door opens during certain times indicitive to atmospheric conditions?
Were we not once trying to experiment in time travel.
See, this is what makes you a "true believer," Storm. Any rational person, when facing a total dirth of evidence to support their hypothesis, abandons their original premise. The mere fact that you would even consider that Big Foot possibly comes from another dimension rather than admit that in all probablity no such creature exists is evidence of it. When you have to start inventing such fantastic scenarios to support your contentions, you have plunged off the deep end of the pool.
A skeptic doesn't give equal weight to all possibilities. Some are simply too ludicrous to seriously consider. You just have no filter. No idea is too nuts for you to entertain, no matter how little it fits with what is actually going on in the real world.
Some things are impossible. Some things do turn out to be empty myths. You need to recognize when its time to give up on an idea.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 18:27:43 [Permalink]
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Storm wrote:quote:
The patterson film is so controversial one does not know to think and I guess we will never know.
So, you're saying that the Wallace family is lying? Do you have any evidence to that effect? |
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