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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 01/06/2005 : 02:30:54 [Permalink]
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Storm, you are indeed a cold reader. We all are. We do it in virtually all of our interactions with other people. The only difference is that the professionals are better at it.
If you wish to become a medium like James van Praagh, you must develop the skill into an art form. For more van Praagh, go here and here. To see what a 'medium' really is, go here.
So, except for the fact of cold reading, it all makes about as much sense as paraskevidekatriaphobia or friggatriskaidekaphobia (the irrational fear of Friday the 13th. It is said that if you can pronounce the words, you're cured, hooray!!   ).
I do hope that you're not dishonest enough to become a medium.
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Siberia
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 03:59:59 [Permalink]
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| Mm. Telepathy. It's one of the points I'm trying to make in Darkside Chronicles... oi vey, guess I'll need to put a disclaimer in the beginning of the damned novel. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 06:11:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
Mm. Telepathy. It's one of the points I'm trying to make in Darkside Chronicles... oi vey, guess I'll need to put a disclaimer in the beginning of the damned novel.
Rowland is one of the honest ones. He is a stage mentalist and makes no extraordinary claims. He a superb cold reader.
He has commited to memory such things as the most common names, male and female; what ever items might be laying around your house such as old magazines, calenders and the like. He also works themes that someone who would visit a psychic would relate to; money, love, and so forth.
By the end of his show, he can have you believing that he can see every secret that you and your family, going back, generations have ever kept. And he'll know a lot about you because you've told him all about yourself. 
All from being a skilled cold reader. Edward, van Praagh, et al. do exactly the same.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Siberia
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 07:52:34 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by filthy
quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
Mm. Telepathy. It's one of the points I'm trying to make in Darkside Chronicles... oi vey, guess I'll need to put a disclaimer in the beginning of the damned novel.
Rowland is one of the honest ones. He is a stage mentalist and makes no extraordinary claims. He a superb cold reader.
He has commited to memory such things as the most common names, male and female; what ever items might be laying around your house such as old magazines, calenders and the like. He also works themes that someone who would visit a psychic would relate to; money, love, and so forth.
By the end of his show, he can have you believing that he can see every secret that you and your family, going back, generations have ever kept. And he'll know a lot about you because you've told him all about yourself.
All from being a skilled cold reader. Edward, van Praagh, et al. do exactly the same.
I know. I've seen about those people.
But in my book (it's science fiction), they really ARE telepaths. They've developed an organ that can 'channel' (another evil word, gah) thoughts from another person. I haven't developed the idea yet, may drop it, but, yeah. Hence why the disclaimer, so stupid people won't run around thinking they can read other people's thoughts. That is, if the stupid thing even gets out of the hard disk... |
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 08:29:13 [Permalink]
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Siberia, you're writing fiction. There's little hope for those who cannot (or will not) distinguish between fiction and reality. Heinlein, if I'm not mistaken, was rather bemused by those who actually try to bring Stranger in a Strange Land to life.
Besides, if you're "grounding" the telepathy in a new organ, all you've gotta do is make it an organ which is obviously detectable (with the real medical technology of today), so you'll be able to ask for X-rays (or whatever) from any fans you meet who claim to have the organ you've invented. You won't be obligated to treat those who cannot produce such evidence as anything other than serious woo-woos. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 08:48:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Siberia, you're writing fiction. There's little hope for those who cannot (or will not) distinguish between fiction and reality. Heinlein, if I'm not mistaken, was rather bemused by those who actually try to bring Stranger in a Strange Land to life.
Besides, if you're "grounding" the telepathy in a new organ, all you've gotta do is make it an organ which is obviously detectable (with the real medical technology of today), so you'll be able to ask for X-rays (or whatever) from any fans you meet who claim to have the organ you've invented. You won't be obligated to treat those who cannot produce such evidence as anything other than serious woo-woos.
Agreein' with Dave, here. All of the disclaimers you can come up with, in all of the the various languages that might be in the universe, will not convince the terminally deluded that it's just a story. They'll just say you're covering up some fantastic power for your own, nefarious purposes..... Um... Are you...?
Publish under 'fiction' and let it go at that.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Storm
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 11:36:50 [Permalink]
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I can be a medium and be honest...
I can be honest and be a medium...
Being a medium is a natural part of the functioning brain...
Forget frauds, spiritualism...
Think about it in a scientific way...
We have had the coincidences...
You say they are just random chance...
I disagree...
Remember what man was like...
Cromagnon....
As intelligent as aware as knowledgable as we are now.....
No....
So then what of our generation and the generation to come...
of our evolvement....
our childrens.....
We have just touched on the fringes of PSI, Ghosts....
We are still on the fringe of Science, exploration, etc
So to be a medium is not to be dishonest..
It is merely the individual who chooses the dihonesty
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 12:04:09 [Permalink]
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A medium, by definition, contacts the dead. There is no evidence that any have ever actually done so. Yes, some may simply be deluded into thinking that they are "in contact," but they are being "dishonest" with themselves.
The rest of what you've said just now, Storm, is romatic dreaming. Hopes that people have psi, or can become ghosts, have been with us for thousands of years. My own idealism suggests that our further "evolution" requires us to drop such fantasies, in favor of the much more realistic problems we encounter every day. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 12:08:56 [Permalink]
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| You may disagree, my dear, but until you can give unambiguous proof, it's all wishful thinking. Just as my race of telepaths: a figment of your (or, in case of my telepaths, my) imagination. |
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Storm
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 12:16:51 [Permalink]
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But the fact is Dave we encounter these things psi, ghosts everyday as well....
What might have been fantasy is starting to come into light as fact...
So maybe medium is not the right word....
but then again maybe it is....
Depends on what we define as dead....
Conscious souls..
or decaying matter....
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 18:11:49 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Storm
But the fact is Dave we encounter these things psi, ghosts everyday as well....
We may encounter things everyday that woo-woo people want to call psi or ghosts or whatever, but that doesn't mean those encounters were actually with psi or ghosts. You're just assuming that they are, and that's not skeptical of you at all.quote:
What might have been fantasy is starting to come into light as fact...
Oh? What?quote:
So maybe medium is not the right word....
but then again maybe it is....
Depends on what we define as dead....
Conscious souls..
or decaying matter....
You're the one who claimed that mediums are generally honest people. You define the word 'dead', in a way that is consistent with the claims the mediums make about their alleged abilities. They do not claim to be receiving messages for family members from decaying matter, so that's not going to fly. |
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Storm
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 18:33:53 [Permalink]
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You are right Dave it does not mean it they were. and it also does not mean they were not ...
I just happen to be on the side leaning more to they were these things we label ghosts psi. shit dave we have had telepathy before. Have you not.? Especially when people are close. Only random chance ?Maybe connected disssapating energy... But what is the connection that makes these phenomenon similar, like in psi. Not just random chance...
I think it is all natural...
Dave you must lose your true believer view that medium=fraud instead medium= human energy to human energy contact
No I do not define dead like that Dave you are mistaken... |
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Siberia
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 18:41:50 [Permalink]
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Empathy can explain a lot of the so-called telepathy. As can cold reading, even if subconscious. As can random chance.
And now you're abusing the term energy. Anything that doesn't have an explanation is decaying energy, even though energy doesn't decay at all, merely mutates/drifts. |
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Storm
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 18:52:05 [Permalink]
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So let us use a different word than decay Siberia...
How about Mutate...
I like that one...
Maybe in a post mortem sighting the energy of the dead person mutates into the phenomenon...
All Natural...
A last wish..
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 20:51:21 [Permalink]
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Fie! A pox upon all this crap!
Someone, anyone, give me the name of any medium, alive or defunct, that has ever been proven to be in contact with any sort of 'spirit' of the deceased. Do not forget to present evidence that I can verify.
Otherwise, the existing evidence states that there is no favorible case for anything but the grifting of the gullible.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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