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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Storm
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 Posted - 01/06/2005 : 18:02:13 [Permalink]
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Skepticism is not a collection of what to accept and what to not accept. quoted by Ricky.
While it might not in the long run, Skepticism has been replaced by to many debunkers. People with preset notions that the phenomenon is a fraud. I am a true skeptic... I do not ignore the evidence.. I do not immediately say Paranormal... Oh Contrare
I wish I had that icon that Dr. M had the banging the head icon. Doctor can you help me get that please!!!!
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Storm
SFN Regular
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708 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2005 : 18:19:54 [Permalink]
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Where is that damn icon when you need it!!! Ricky, I DO believe that ghosts, telepathy, precognitions, esp, are natural phenomenon. Read the old threads man.... |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 20:56:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
Ricky, I DO believe that ghosts, telepathy, precognitions, esp, are natural phenomenon.
If those things exist I suppose they would be natural. But as it stands they are all still paranormal claims lacking any evidence that is scientifically supported. That you believe that they are natural does not change their status. Lacking evidence, I remain skeptical of above claims… |
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Storm
SFN Regular
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 21:04:04 [Permalink]
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What evidence would make you believe Kil? Well let us not be as drastic as believe? but let us ask what evidence would just slighly lean you toward a belief? Has not my theory of natural energy at least a start? not so far out if you really think about it? Think about it Kil |
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Ricky
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 21:53:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
Has not my theory of natural energy at least a start?
Since you cannot define 'ghost' or 'energy', no, it's not a start at all. It is a theory which is utterly devoid of meaning. You might as well say "my theory of ghosts is freeble do-whacky energy zing woo pop hutgig." |
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Storm
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Posted - 01/06/2005 : 21:58:51 [Permalink]
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| Where is the Doctor when you need him!!! I need the icon!!! The banging head one !!!! Help |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 07:50:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
What evidence would make you believe Kil? Well let us not be as drastic as believe? but let us ask what evidence would just slighly lean you toward a belief? Has not my theory of natural energy at least a start? not so far out if you really think about it? Think about it Kil
If you want to know what would it would take for me to accept a claim perhaps it would be best to refer you to our About Skepticism area. Read what is there and you may get an idea of what counts for evidence. You may also get a better grasp on what being a skeptic is about. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 08:00:57 [Permalink]
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Storm:
Has not my theory of natural energy at least a start?
You don't have a theory of natural energy. Those are musings of yours that are so ill defined they can't even be called a hypothesis. There is a scientific method for arriving at a theory. You haven't even begun that journey…
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 13:44:02 [Permalink]
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The wall-banger smily comes from my personal collection of honestly stolen/ripped off icons.
The problem is, they are subject to copyright, and getting in touch of the copyright holders is next to impossible. |
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Storm
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 15:06:30 [Permalink]
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I must disagree Kil I have definetly begun the Journey. It just up to me to choose the right path. I am definetly leaning toward the path of Science. There is no doubt in my mind. I just happen to look at phenomenon, evidence in different ways than what you define? What some of the skeptics define here? Does not mean it is incorrecct, unreasonable, outlandish. Thinking God is giving a fuckin mercy killings to the Swedes is outlandish, unreasonable. Thinking Ghosts are disperced,energy is much more reasonable. Wouldn't you think?
I read you skepticism article. It was the first one Iread when I found this website.
So what is skepticism? The American Heritage Dictionary defines it as “A doubting or questioning attitude or state of mind.” That is true to a point. Unfortunalty, this definition also implies a certain closed-mindedness. It stops well short of how we skeptics view our skepticism. I view skepticism as a method for finding out if a claim has any value by asking questions and considering the evidence for the claim. We become skeptical when a claim does not seem tenable. We approach such a claim with doubt. We want to know more about it. While our doubt may be justified, we must remain open to the idea that the claimant might be able to support that claim. Simply doubting a claim is not enough. We will learn nothing if we remain steeped in doubt. Doubt should serve as the motivator for skeptical inquiry.
So what is skepticism? The American Heritage Dictionary defines it as “A doubting or questioning attitude or state of mind.” That is true to a point. Unfortunalty, this definition also implies a certain closed-mindedness. It stops well short of how we skeptics view our skepticism. I view skepticism as a method for finding out if a claim has any value by asking questions and considering the evidence for the claim. We become skeptical when a claim does not seem tenable. We approach such a claim with doubt. We want to know more about it. While our doubt may be justified, we must remain open to the idea that the claimant might be able to support that claim. Simply doubting a claim is not enough. We will learn nothing if we remain steeped in doubt. Doubt should serve as the motivator for skeptical inquiry.
So what is skepticism? The American Heritage Dictionary defines it as “A doubting or questioning attitude or state of mind.” That is true to a point. Unfortunalty, this definition also implies a certain closed-mindedness. It stops well short of how we skeptics view our skepticism. I view skepticism as a method for finding out if a claim has any value by asking questions and considering the evidence for the claim. We become skeptical when a claim does not seem tenable. We approach such a claim with doubt. We want to know more about it. While our doubt may be justified, we must remain open to the idea that the claimant might be able to support that claim. Simply doubting a claim is not enough. We will learn nothing if we remain steeped in doubt. Doubt should serve as the motivator for skeptical inquiry.
So what is skepticism? The American Heritage Dictionary defines it as “A doubting or questioning attitude or state of mind.” That is true to a point. Unfortunalty, this definition also implies a certain closed-mindedness. It stops well short of how we skeptics view our skepticism. I view skepticism as a method for finding out if a claim has any value by asking questions and considering the evidence for the claim. We become skeptical when a claim does not seem tenable. We approach such a claim with doubt. We want to know more about it. While our doubt may be justified, we must remain open to the idea that the claimant might be able to support that claim. Simply doubting a claim is not enough. We will learn nothing if we remain steeped in doubt. Doubt should serve as the motivator for skeptical inquiry.
So what is skepticism? The American Heritage Dictionary defines it as “A doubting or questioning attitude or state of mind.” That is true to a point. Unfortunalty, this definition also implies a certain closed-mindedness. It stops well short of how we skeptics view our skepticism. I view skepticism as a method for finding out if a claim has any value by asking questions and considering the evidence for the claim. We become skeptical when a claim does not seem tenable. We approach such a claim with doubt. We want to know more about it. While our doubt may be justified, we must remain open to the idea that the claimant might be able to support that claim. Simply doubting a claim is not enough. We will learn nothing if we remain steeped in doubt. Doubt should serve as the motivator for skeptical inquiry. I agree with it very much...In fact I read it numerous times
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/07/2005 : 16:16:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
I must disagree Kil I have definetly begun the Journey.
The evidence for that is not self-evident.
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I am definetly leaning toward the path of Science.
Perhaps, but you're still rejecting the notion of searching through all possible natural causes for a phenomenon before jumping to paranormal/supernatural explanations. And when I say natural, I mean natural in the sense any respected run-of-the-mill scientist would use: stuff that scientists have gotten the Nobel Prize for...quote:
I just happen to look at phenomenon, evidence in different ways than what you define? What some of the skeptics define here? Does not mean it is incorrecct, unreasonable, outlandish.
Yes.quote:
Thinking God is giving a fuckin mercy killings to the Swedes is outlandish, unreasonable. Thinking Ghosts are disperced,energy is much more reasonable. Wouldn't you think?
It is more reasonable than the first option, but it is still not reasonable.
You are still far out in woo-woo-land.
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