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Chippewa
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Posted - 01/30/2005 :  03:16:03  Show Profile  Visit Chippewa's Homepage Send Chippewa a Private Message
The Iraqi people appear proud and happy to be voting at last. George Bush of course is going to take some credit for their democracy-in-action. This is speculation on my part, but the irony at first seemed to be that the Whitehouse would be hopeful that Iraq elects what is (for Iraq) a liberal regime, because a conservative regime would become in essence, Iran - Part 2, a theocracy. (That's the irony as the present Whitehouse is a neoconservative regime, and a want-to-be theocracy.)

But then again, if the Washington D.C. Neocons are anxious to attack Iran, (and they have been spying potential targets there,) they might be thinking that continued violence or civil war in Iraq will be tied to Iran. That may be true, but the Neocons will likely use that as one of their excuses for war, just as they were able to tie the Iraq war to the very evil and real Saddam dictatorship, and in turn, it to false links to the terrorist attacks and nonexistent WMDs.

filthy
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Posted - 01/30/2005 :  03:31:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
We'll know how it comes out soon -- it's 5:30 AM, too early for me to speculate.

Edited to add this.
quote:

By Matt Spetalnick
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Insurgents threatened a bloodbath on Sunday when Iraqis go to the polls in an election intended to unite the country and quell violence but which could instead foment sectarian strife.

Iraq was under security lockdown for Iraq's first multi-party elections in nearly half a century.

Borders were sealed, airports closed and only official vehicles allowed on the streets after heavy bloodshed on the eve of voting, including a bold rocket strike that killed two Americans at the U.S. embassy compound in Baghdad's Green Zone.

Insurgents also killed 17 Iraqis and an American soldier on Saturday.

I dunno, Chip. I am hopeful, but not optomistic.




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Edited by - filthy on 01/30/2005 03:51:18
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/30/2005 :  04:58:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Chippewa

The Iraqi people appear proud and happy to be voting at last.
In Sweden 100'000+ Iraqi exiles have voted absentee.

One of the evening papers over here interviewed a bunch of Bagdad citizens: a third of them said "ofcourse I'll be voting", one third said "I won't be voting: not enough security at voting station" and the final third said either "I don't know anything about the candidates" or "it won't make a difference".

quote:
That may be true, but the Neocons will likely use that as one of their excuses for war, just as they were able to tie the Iraq war to the very evil and real Saddam dictatorship, and in turn, it to false links to the terrorist attacks and nonexistent WMDs.

Well, WMD worked once, didn't it? It could work again.

The biggest difference between Iran and Iraq right now is that Iran actually have a moderatly working democracy, such as it is. Including a voting tradition among it's citizens.
Saddam was an evil despot, but Iran has an elected congress. Candidates to that congress have to be approved by the mullahs, and I think the mullahs have veto on all decitions made. If the mullahs are removed, Iran would actually be quite democratic compared to it's neighbours.

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