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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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 Posted - 02/22/2005 : 08:35:44 [Permalink]
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Weeding out and ban the opposition is one of the most effective way to ensure "wictory".
It shows their position weak when they have to protect what they believe to be the Truth.
Especially when their opponents have good arguments, like tomk80 (yes I browsed some posts, and I think you were doing well).
I have a vague recollection of seeing the name Fred Phelps in a similar discussion, can someone please fill me in? |
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 08:39:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tkster
Anyway, I knew I'd be banned sometime, but didn't know it would be over that post.
tk
Yeah, I'm not sad at being suspended (not banned yet, just suspended for a year  ), and expected to be banned sooner or later anyways. I've really been keeping back, to suspend my banning  . I just thought the reason given till now was... well, let's keep it at noteworthy. I got a response from Fred on this and send something back again, so an update will follow  . |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 08:41:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
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Originally posted by tkster
Anyway, I knew I'd be banned sometime, but didn't know it would be over that post.
tk
Yeah, I'm not sad at being suspended (not banned yet, just suspended for a year ), and expected to be banned sooner or later anyways. I've really been keeping back, to suspend my banning . I just thought the reason given till now was... well, let's keep it at noteworthy. I got a response from Fred on this and send something back again, so an update will follow .
Well if you were "suspended" for being at SFN, then Peptide might get "suspended" next too. And that's sad because Peptide was really crushing them for a while.
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 08:50:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tkster
Well if you were "suspended" for being at SFN, then Peptide might get "suspended" next too. And that's sad because Peptide was really crushing them for a while.
tk
Nah, Peptide is really banned. I know, because I checked the 'banned members' list. Just as Apostateabe, who also had some really good posts. I don't know about the reasons they were banned. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 08:54:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
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Originally posted by tkster
Well if you were "suspended" for being at SFN, then Peptide might get "suspended" next too. And that's sad because Peptide was really crushing them for a while.
tk
Nah, Peptide is really banned. I know, because I checked the 'banned members' list. Just as Apostateabe, who also had some really good posts. I don't know about the reasons they were banned.
That's unbelievable. Maybe it was because he suggested something. But yeah, I'd like to know as well.
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 09:08:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tkster
That's unbelievable. Maybe it was because he suggested something. But yeah, I'd like to know as well.
tk
Depending on the outcome of my own suspension, I might contact the banned members and ask. Maybe right a small article on it if the results are interesting. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2005 : 10:47:49 [Permalink]
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| Can anyone here get me the email address of Fred Phelps? I would like to invite him to debate on our forum. A forum where no creationist has ever been banned or even edited... I have a few other things to say to him. Really, I don't care about the debate. I care about fairness. I personally think you guys are nuts to even try to debate on creationist forums. The outcome is so predictable... |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2005 : 11:59:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Weeding out and ban the opposition is one of the most effective way to ensure "wictory".
It shows their position weak when they have to protect what they believe to be the Truth.
Especially when their opponents have good arguments, like tomk80 (yes I browsed some posts, and I think you were doing well).
I have a vague recollection of seeing the name Fred Phelps in a similar discussion, can someone please fill me in?
Mab,
Phelps is the whack job behind "God Hates Fags" website. He has done such wonderful work such as organizing protests at funerals of murdered gays, trying to install a statue of Matthew Shepard in Shepard's home town complete with a plaque inscribed with the text, "MATTHEW SHEPARD, Entered Hell October 12, 1998, in Defiance of God's Warning: 'Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination.' Leviticus 18:22" (Matthew Shepard was a gay college student murdered in a horrendous fashion.), and recently author of a new website "God Hates Sweden" concerning the tsunami dead.
Kil,
The only way I have seen to contact Phelps is through his website at ghf@godhatesamerica.com . His Westboro Baptist Church operates out of his home.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 12:50:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tkster
That's really sad Tom, but I've been banned as well. This is why I was banned, this was a post I made:
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Not all evolutionists think that Dinosaurs and man didn't live together. For an example, McGinley and myself think that there is some evidence that suggests there is a possibility of both co-existing together. The point being that dinosaurs living with man does NOT falsify evolution, but would prove that some of what some scientists have said wrong.
In other words, if you proved dinosaurs living with man occurred, that would not prove evolution to be false
I was replying to this topic:
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This is indirectly related to evolution, but I think its interesting in any case.
What does anyone know about the Indian rock art that has dinosaurs in them?
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Dinoglyphs/dinoglyphs.html
I couldn't find anythingn on talkorigns....
If the indians had seen dinosaurs alive, then what does that mean for evolution?
These things seem to be authentic.
Terry
Anyway, my post was removed within 30 minutes of when I posted it. I came back about that time and found my post gone and when I tried to log in it said that I had been banned.
Anyway, I knew I'd be banned sometime, but didn't know it would be over that post.
tk
Rather a silly reason for banning somebody, even though anyone who ha made even a casual study of the fossil record and the geologic column knows that the evidence for dinosaurs and humans living together are figments of sadly deludeded imaginations such as might be found at AiG.
And the "indian rocks" were frauds produced by local farmers trying to scratch up a few tourist dollars.
Regarding these Christian forums, I've come to into the attitude of, "Why bother. Nobody there cares what an opposing view has to say, especally if they have no sensible retort."
Invite them over here and let's see how well they fare when a moderator won't protect either them or us from the slings and arrows of opposing argument.  
On edit, I too, would like the good Rev. Phelps to bless us with his presence. But even more that that, I'd like to get a piece of Hovind, Ham and/or Sarfati.
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 13:03:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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A forum where no creationist has ever been banned or even edited
Has verlch never been edited? I thought he has.
There were a couple people edited who happened to be Creationists due to copyright infringements. verlch may have been edited for personal attacks against members. I don't recall when, though.
Substantive arguements have not been edited, though. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 13:05:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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A forum where no creationist has ever been banned or even edited
Has verlch never been edited? I thought he has.
To my knowledge, not as such. He has had some repeat posts deleted and a couple of threads closed, but apart from that, his every word has been read.
I rather think it's a matter of pride that anyone can come here and make any sort of unsupported, damphool statment he/she wishes and will suffer no more than getting corrected by the membership.
Val, he did get edited a few times for copywrite problems -- I forgot about that -- but his links were still left in the posts. Don't recall anything about personal attacks.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2005 : 13:27:49 [Permalink]
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| Yeah, what Dancer and Filthy said. Anyone is subject to being edited for copy write infringement, multiple posts, insults that do not further an argument and stuff like that. I guess I should have said, we do not single out creationists or those we don't agree with for special treatment, and editing is very rare, all things considered. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 13:41:38 [Permalink]
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| I also - I believe - have edited verlch's posts to fix a horror of wrong quoting. But yeah, the important part is that nobody has ever had a post edited to change or delete the ideas being presented. |
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tomk80
SFN Regular
Netherlands
1278 Posts |
Posted - 02/22/2005 : 18:26:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Can anyone here get me the email address of Fred Phelps? I would like to invite him to debate on our forum. A forum where no creationist has ever been banned or even edited... I have a few other things to say to him. Really, I don't care about the debate. I care about fairness. I personally think you guys are nuts to even try to debate on creationist forums. The outcome is so predictable...
Wow, my bad. It's not Fred Phelps who runs this forum, or this site. It's a guy called Fred Williams. I've gotten my fundies mixed up
I started debating on evolutionfairytale because the resistance was a little heavier there then on christianforums. Many of the creationists there are really low caliber (and I mean really low), so I was looking for some more challenging arguments. Maybe I'll head of to another forum now. I stopped trying to convince people long ago, it doesn't happen often on forums. If I want to convince someone, I'll try to get him one on one with lots of time. That way I can force them to look at the evidence presented (really look) and force them to answer my questions. I've had a few such discussions with fundamentalist friends of mine, and pretty soon they didn't seem to like the experience much. Doubt can be scary. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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